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| Quote: ccs "As has been mentioned before, it was the HDM headline that said he was the best winger in SuperLeague, not Radford.
The problem with this forum is that the anti "just about anything I can think of" brigade repeat the same old comments ad nauseam, and eventually after a week, or a month or a year or two, they become fact.
A bit like some of BarnetFC's post.'"
To be fair the only negativity on here is regarding Radford and rightly so.
Yes some people moan for moanings sake but if it wasn't for the fact we are so bad we wouldn't be having this discussion right now at all.
It would be refreshing to actually discuss how well we are doing for a change but alas if Radford remains we will never have that opportunity.
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| Quote: Salford 1961 "Remind me Baldy about the time your club spent trying to get that "Over Rated Petulant Thug" a visa so he could move to Hull!
Sounds like "If we can't have him he must be Crap".'"
Tbf he's never wanted Hull to sign him and it's not like Chase has exactly set the league alight this season.
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| Quote: BarnetFC "Ok well I object to the insinuation that I'm anti just about everything.'" Fair enough - that's not what I was suggesting.
My point was that repeated posts on here tend to become "fact" after a period of time, and your comment about Radford, for example, "I thought he was a lousy, ill-disciplined player for us second time around", was not how I saw him.
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| Who ever thinks that what Radders said in the HDM that Talanoa is the best in the league is an idiot. To me it reads as he's the best at a certain trait. Which is returning the ball well and winning the ruck. Nothing else nothing me. Personally I like him, he's got great commitment, enthusiasm, aggression with a really good step too. His biggest down fall is his positional play defensively and offensively.
He's been a decent addiction to the squad.
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| Quote: BarnetFC "For me the concern isn't the results or the league position. We're told that we're changing our outlook, concentrating on bringing youngsters through rather than signing big names etc and that's always going to take time. Saints have had some poor seasons by their standards of late while they've been fielding kids but it's stood them in good stead because they now have a crop of youngsters with loads of first team experience.
What does alarm me is the amount of players going backwards - including some who you would think would be at the heart of this 'team Hull' business. Lineham and Crooks are the obvious examples but there's Chris Green as well - all a shadow of the players that impressed under Gentle. Jamie Shaul, arguably, not as good as he was last season. Micky Paea nowhere near as good as he was for Rovers last season. Richard Whiting completely bombed out. Watts has been poor. There have been some successes - Westerman, Abdull, Lacaster - but overall the individual players are regressing and the team is getting worse.
So even if you excuse the results, the league position, the questionable man management with young players being publicly bombed out to Doncaster, the inconsistent team selections where players are started one week then dropped altogether the next, the odd behaviour in the transfer market where we've signed people like Carvell and Colbon for no apparent reason only to cast them aside almost immediately, the alarming media statements such as last week's laugh-a-minute claim that Talanoa is one of the best wingers in the competition (presumably we'd find out if he ever went and stood on the chuffin wing) and wrote it all off as inevitable teething problems of a long term project, what faith can you have in Radford to carry out the long term project when players who should be key to it are getting worse?
I thought he was a lousy, ill-disciplined player for us second time around. I thought he was a dreadful captain, standing silently and blowing out of his ars under the posts after we conceded tries while giving away penalties for fun. I think he sounds like that annoying bloke down the pub who reckons he knows everything but actually hasn't got a brain in his head. And so far as coach I think he's been appalling.'"
Great post and some valid questions that needs answering but wont get answered
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| Quote: BarnetFC "Ok well I object to the insinuation that I'm anti just about everything. I'm desperate for Hull FC to do well. It's a fcking long way back to Barnet on a Friday night after the dross we're getting now. I like Pearson and I like his investing in local idea. But I don't see how it tallies with Lineham, Crooks and Green this season and the way Radford is treating them.
Here are our "coach's" comments on Talanoa.
"I don't think there's a better winger in the competition who's better at finding you a ruck win when he's returning the ball. He's been outstanding for us and been a real asset and great to have around the place. We just hope his form, as it has done all year consistently for us, continues. He's the type of bloke you want to get your sets rolling and he's a winger that your forwards appreciate.
"He's been a real find for us this year. I think it epitomises sport and media that all we're talking about is Callum Lancaster, and not Fetuli who had a stand-out performance. He played on the left last week, then we switched him to the right and Callum gets three tries. It's sod's law I suppose. What I saw of him, I knew the kid could play and doing the background checks with opinions that I held in high regards, he was always going to be a player.
"He's turned out great for us."
Has he? Has he really?
Under the Pearson policy our wingers next season should be Lancaster and Lineham surely? I've seen very little from Talanoa to back this sort of enthusiasm from our coach. It's absolutely nothing to do with sod's law that Lancaster got three tries, it's that Lancaster is a talented try scorer and Talanoa is a steady journey-man winger who, incidentally, stands 15-20 yards infield off his wing when the ball is on the other side of the pitch.'"
I have no problem at all with Radford bigging up a player. Makes a welcome change from putting them on the naughty step.
Talanoa lacks the speed to ever be a top class winger, but Radford is right in what he says about his work when carrying the ball. There's not many wingers kicking around who are as good in the collision. He might not be able to shrug off tackles as easily as Briscoe did, but he always finds his knees and elbows and gets the ball played quickly. That is something that most fans will overlook, but it's very important. We use him terribly though. He's shown glimpses of his finishing prowess when he's had chances, but he is lucky if he gets 3 passes a game.
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| Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "I have no problem at all with Radford bigging up a player. Makes a welcome change from putting them on the naughty step.
Talanoa lacks the speed to ever be a top class winger, but Radford is right in what he says about his work when carrying the ball. There's not many wingers kicking around who are as good in the collision. He might not be able to shrug off tackles as easily as Briscoe did, but he always finds his knees and elbows and gets the ball played quickly. That is something that most fans will overlook, but it's very important. We use him terribly though. He's shown glimpses of his finishing prowess when he's had chances, but he is lucky if he gets 3 passes a game.'"
Same for Lineham yesterday.
Radford's analysis of the game, team selection rationale and tactics do actually sound quite detailed and evidence-based when interviewed. But the players look like they've no structure or plan in attack, no urgency to PTB quickly and no runners, just lateral and pedestrian passing. Salford game was straight out of the Agar 2009 playbook. We have some real quality available, but it's not being harnessed or optimised.
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| Quote: A unknown superstar "Who ever thinks that what Radders said in the HDM that Talanoa is the best in the league is an idiot. To me it reads as he's the best at a certain trait. Which is returning the ball well and winning the ruck. Nothing else nothing me. Personally I like him, he's got great commitment, enthusiasm, aggression with a really good step too. His biggest down fall is his positional play defensively and offensively.
He's been a decent addiction to the squad.'"
Absolutely spot on there are loads of better wingmen in sl who can go 80 yards or can finish in a tight corner but going from dummy half or helping his forwards out he is very good at it, a lot of the time he doesn't get put down which allows either a quick play the ball or a penalty
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| Quote: A unknown superstar "Who ever thinks that what Radders said in the HDM that Talanoa is the best in the league is an idiot. To me it reads as he's the best at a certain trait. Which is returning the ball well and winning the ruck. Nothing else nothing me. Personally I like him, he's got great commitment, enthusiasm, aggression with a really good step too. His biggest down fall is his positional play defensively and offensively.
He's been a decent addiction to the squad.'"
I agree , I said that Talanoa was probably our MOM against Wire. That said Radford's comments are generally those of a fan rather than a coach or a manager. He wants to do well no doubt about it and he's probably doing his best , the question is will that ever be good enough? What makes it worse is the spin that comes out of the club through Clarky. It's cloyingly and unremittingly positive and that really irritates me and lots of others when it's as plain as the nose on your face that things are bad. The standard of skill and talent in this year's squad is poor , past it or still being refined. Maybe next year will be better but I'm sick of the spin. Having said that what does AP and his mouthpieces say? We're crap but we might get a bit better next year? Radders isn't the answer but there's no one else so back him? We can't persuade the really top players to come here because of what's gone before so we'll have to make do and mend for it bit longer? A bit of reality and honesty would work for me and probably lots of "experts" on here but it'd be quite a departure for any PR department. It's a mess and I wouldn't want to be AP trying to figure out what to do and how to sell 8,000 passes for next season , one of the most important in the club's history.
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| Barnet's comments about lineham, Crooks and Green have ben covered before in other posts. All three have had prolongued injuries. Crooks appears to be struggling to find any confident form. Lineham is stil on his comeback and we've got props already fit and playing. His comments about Talanoa have taken the Radford interview out of context.
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| Quote: HULLFC 4 LIFE "I have been going for around 17 years and i am thinking of not getting a pass next season which will be the first for quite a while. I think i will just choose the games i want to go to, i am not willing to pay another £50 for away games either to watch what we saw last night.
People spend their hard earned money to go and support the team and they play like that. I left the game last night and heard a few supporters who are mentioning of not going anymore as they have had enough.'"
Strange post considering your avatar
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| Quote: Armavinit "Strange post considering your avatar'"
Don't get me wrong i will still probably end up getting a pass but my main point is that people spend their hard earned money to watch that rubbish like yesterday. I have gone to a few away games this season St Helens, Warrington, Castleford, Leeds and Widnes and yesterday and i think the only decent performance was against Widnes after that win i thought we had turned a corner like most fans thought but obviously not we have gone backwards again.
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| Quote: Armavinit "Strange post considering your avatar'"
He is only 17 years old so a valid avatar
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| Quote: Bombed Out "He is only 17 years old so a valid avatar
23 actually started going when was 6
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| I'll definitely renew my pass, I get a concession now As I said earlier, I've been watching this stuff on and off for 50 years, same old same old to me.
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