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| Quote: Big Dave T "What length of contract do the current SMC have to provide this service?'"
I'm not sure if there's a contract involved as such. The SMC holds the Head Lease to the stadium and that gives them certain rights and responsibilities. I imagine that the agreement runs for as long as the term of the Head Lease, although probably subject to review during that period.
As our lease is 25 years the Head Lease must be at least that long.
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| Quote: Kosh "I'm not sure if there's a contract involved as such. The SMC holds the Head Lease to the stadium and that gives them certain rights and responsibilities. I imagine that the agreement runs for as long as the term of the Head Lease, although probably subject to review during that period.
As our lease is 25 years the Head Lease must be at least that long.'"
The head lease given when the stadium was built was 50 years so i presume theyve got about 40 left.
Did they buy the lease from the company that Pearson set up then? How did the management of the stadium transfer as ltd companies?
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| Quote: Big Dave T "The head lease given when the stadium was built was 50 years so i presume theyve got about 40 left.
Did they buy the lease from the company that Pearson set up then? How did the management of the stadium transfer as ltd companies?'"
The company changed hands. The lease didn't have to move anywhere.
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| Quote: Nobeerineasthull "It can't be counted as an asset if the lease itself states that it reverts to the landlord automatically on the tenant becoming insolvent.
Even in the absence of such a clause the tenant's liquidator will usually disclaim (surrender) the lease because rather than being an asset it is treated as a liability due to the continuing requirement to pay rent.
A lease cannot usually be assigned (transferred) by the tenant to another party without the landlord's permission. Where it is assigned the new tenant becomes responsible for the tenant's obligations under the lease.'"
What I was meaning is that the leaseholder is the SMC which as a corporate entity can be bought and sold and retain ownership of the lease, which I presume does have commercial value. Obviously, if they liquidate then it will be forfeit
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "What I was meaning is that the leaseholder is the SMC which as a corporate entity can be bought and sold and retain ownership of the lease, which I presume does have commercial value. Obviously, if they liquidate then it will be forfeit'"
Correct. If the ownership of SMC changes hands the lease remains with SMC.
If SMC goes into liquidation the lease reverts to the council.
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| Quote: Kosh "The company changed hands. The lease didn't have to move anywhere.'"
Ah ok, thats the answer i was looking for. They bought the company then from Pearson et al.
The more i hear about the SMC been a seperate independant company i question why the council dont set up a function and manage it themselves and take the profit? Wonder what the rationale is for effectively sub-letting the stadium?
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| Quote: Big Dave T "Ah ok, thats the answer i was looking for. They bought the company then from Pearson et al.
The more i hear about the SMC been a seperate independant company i question why the council dont set up a function and manage it themselves and take the profit? Wonder what the rationale is for effectively sub-letting the stadium?'"
By leasing the stadium out it made it difficult for the city council to sell the stadium within that fifty years
At the end of the fifty years the stadium will be past it anyway, so in around 30 years time you ( that are still around) will be looking at a new stadium
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| Quote: Ian P "By leasing the stadium out it made it difficult for the city council to sell the stadium within that fifty years
Fair points!
Slide different slant, will it ever pay for itself?
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| Quote: Big Dave T "Fair points!
Its making money if thats what you mean, it can't fail too at the moment. I don't think it was set up to pay for itself, but money should be salted away against future expediture if and when it is required.
It has been noticed that there is now grass growing in the superstructure, always a sign of neglect or corner cutting.
Look above the East stand, great big chunks of it coming out of the water channels
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| Quote: Big Dave T "Ah ok, thats the answer i was looking for. They bought the company then from Pearson et al.
The more i hear about the SMC been a seperate independant company i question why the council dont set up a function and manage it themselves and take the profit? Wonder what the rationale is for effectively sub-letting the stadium?'"
I can just imagine how well and how efficiently the stadium would be run in public hands
They can't even get the fecking bins emptied
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "I can just imagine how well and how efficiently the stadium would be run in public hands
Fair point!!
(wasnt actually meaning public hands, the council do have numerous ltd companies that they own, maybe they could have just set their own SMC up)
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| Quote: Ian P "It has been noticed that there is now grass growing in the superstructure, always a sign of neglect or corner cutting.
Why didn't you let any of us know this before now? It would have given us something to watch this season!
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| Quote: Big Dave T "Ah ok, thats the answer i was looking for. They bought the company then from Pearson et al.
The more i hear about the SMC been a seperate independant company i question why the council dont set up a function and manage it themselves and take the profit? Wonder what the rationale is for effectively sub-letting the stadium?'"
the council as usual completely cocked it up. It was stated in the HDM the other year that the council actually pays to rent the office/learning space in a stadium it built with its cash!
they handed over far too much control IMO, I can understand the rational in having a private company do the day to day running of the company, but they seem to have little control now.
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