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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "So the club/AP have never stretched the truth/told direct lies...okay, whatever, you're wrong but you have your opinion.
I don't have the exact figure, do you, have you seen the amount as documented in the club accounts? if you think that we got £150k for Westerman and believe the club, good for you, I don't. I think it was right to sell him, but I don't believe we got the figure being bandied around.
How much he was on isn't relevant, however if as rumoured by many that that was enough for us to be able to get Carney here and stay under the cap that's all that matters. However the simple matter that IS important is we don't have cap space to fit anyone else on a similar wage/quality to Westerman and that to keep us under the cap we needed to let him go, again, believe what you want to but if you think that we would hold back the salary of an England international player to not sign another quality player, not to mention offer a years contract to Michaels (on the basis that Carney really was on the radar) is totally illogical.
Prove to me how whatever the amount of money has an impact on the club. how much net from expenses, agents fees etc of whatever figure you think it is and let me know what that money is being ploughed into that makes a significant difference to the club.
Without that money what would have been scrimped on, the coach...no, that's already a gimme, the backroom staff, nope again, we already scrimp on that too, the academy, well we all know what happened there.'"
Why would people be more likely to believe a conspiracy theorist on an internet message board who puts across his bizarre opinions as fact, than people from the club?
That's a genuine question. Someone choosing to believe what the club says or not, that's fine, but why would people prescribe to your tale of events? What credibility or inside knowledge do you have? Do you have any facts to back up what you're saying? Do you think your posting history would count against people believing your negative spin? | | |
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "I said he was a "turd of a coach" so get your facts right, as you full well know LR isn't a poster here so if I say I think LR is xxxx then that's not against the forum rules unless it is libellous in which case it would be removed.'"
No, you called him a turd. The last time you denied it someone posted the quote and then you disappeared for a while, as is your wont. | | |
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "How much he was on isn't relevant, however if as rumoured by many that that was enough for us to be able to get Carney here and stay under the cap that's all that matters. However the simple matter that IS important is we don't have cap space to fit anyone else on a similar wage/quality to Westerman and that to keep us under the cap we needed to let him go, again, believe what you want to but if you think that we would hold back the salary of an England international player to not sign another quality player, not to mention offer a years contract to Michaels (on the basis that Carney really was on the radar) is totally illogical.'"
Michaels resigned on the 31st of July.
Carney was suspended on the 27th of August. | | |
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The Westerman deal hasn't come out of nowhere, so it's not that far a stretch to say we probably needed to release someone to ease cap pressure. Pearson himself even admitted it. I'm not convinced by the club that we have ALL of Westy's wage available and I hope to God we're not planning to waste all we have on BJB.
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "So the club/AP have never stretched the truth/told direct lies...okay, whatever, you're wrong but you have your opinion.
I don't have the exact figure, do you, have you seen the amount as documented in the club accounts? if you think that we got £150k for Westerman and believe the club, good for you, I don't. I think it was right to sell him, but I don't believe we got the figure being bandied around.
How much he was on isn't relevant, however if as rumoured by many that that was enough for us to be able to get Carney here and stay under the cap that's all that matters. However the simple matter that IS important is we don't have cap space to fit anyone else on a similar wage/quality to Westerman and that to keep us under the cap we needed to let him go, again, believe what you want to but if you think that we would hold back the salary of an England international player to not sign another quality player, not to mention offer a years contract to Michaels (on the basis that Carney really was on the radar) is totally illogical.
Prove to me how whatever the amount of money has an impact on the club. how much net from expenses, agents fees etc of whatever figure you think it is and let me know what that money is being ploughed into that makes a significant difference to the club.
Without that money what would have been scrimped on, the coach...no, that's already a gimme, the backroom staff, nope again, we already scrimp on that too, the academy, well we all know what happened there.'"
Not sure I follow your logic. If the cap is live, we sold Joe Westerman after all the wheeling and dealing was completed. Surely this means that the whole of his wage deal is now available for signing another player??????? This has no bearing on the fee we recieved for him, however much you believe we got. I cannot understand why you constantly try to debase the club, it's custodian and mangement setup. Your a supporter, supposedly, get over yourself and SUPPORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | | | |
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| Quote: Armavinit "Not sure I follow your logic. If the cap is live, we sold Joe Westerman after all the wheeling and dealing was completed. Surely this means that the whole of his wage deal is now available for signing another player??????? This has no bearing on the fee we recieved for him, however much you believe we got. I cannot understand why you constantly try to debase the club, it's custodian and mangement setup. Your a supporter, supposedly, get over yourself and SUPPORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'"
Depends if we've actually registered all of the players we've signed I'd guess. Maybe we had to let westerman go to sign manu for instance? | | |
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "So the club/AP have never stretched the truth/told direct lies...okay, whatever, you're wrong but you have your opinion.
I don't have the exact figure, do you, have you seen the amount as documented in the club accounts? if you think that we got £150k for Westerman and believe the club, good for you, I don't. I think it was right to sell him, but I don't believe we got the figure being bandied around.
No, but neither have you, you choose to say it is not true, which is tantamount to saying the club are lying. I reckon thats a libellous in a court of law 
You could quite easily say that this happened: Our recruitment and squad was complete. However, afterwards, the club found that Westy was wanting away after his contract was due to expire in 2016, and decided that we're well covered in the back row and to cash in and free up the cap space. Then, looking at options on what to do with that new found space, they made enquiries to sign a decent, available back (in an area we're not short on in numbers, but definitely in quality).
What I've done there is exactly what you've done, just put pieces of a jigsaw together. Like you, I have no proof things happened like this, but I'm not arrogant enough to think everyone should believe it and it can't be challenged.
Michaels to Wakey, BJB, Chase, player votes, Shaul not wanting to get changed in front of him , they're all just rumours from strangers on an internet forum. Relax and see what happens before getting angry. Surely this isn't the first off-season you've been on here, this kind of chat happens every year.
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