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Quote: Tarquin Fuego "It will take a long time to step out of Radford's amateurish ill-disciplined shadow. He should have been fired in 2015 after those shocking first 2 seasons.

Anyway he's gone now. The only this is we will need a circuit breaker. Lasty is Radford is LAsty. They were a pair and I would love to see Lasty be successful but I feel if he had what it takes he'd have stepped up by now. Was he an enabler under LR?

I really would like to see a disciplined performance and DEFENCE at the forefront of our play. I was so glad to hear LAsty talk about the D

Defence is the barometer of any team. Always has been and always will be. Ask any NFL team. Similar concepts of the game.'"

Last needs to be given his chance, who knows what he was allowed to do under Radford. We won two challenge cups with Lee at the helm, nobody can ever deny him that. He's gone, time to move on. I remember a lot of coaches in the past saying lots of things, the players need to deliver on the pitch, we'll see the early signs on Sunday hopefully.

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Quote: Tarquin Fuego "It will take a long time to step out of Radford's amateurish ill-disciplined shadow. He should have been fired in 2015 after those shocking first 2 seasons.

Anyway he's gone now. The only this is we will need a circuit breaker. Lasty is Radford is LAsty. They were a pair and I would love to see Lasty be successful but I feel if he had what it takes he'd have stepped up by now. Was he an enabler under LR?

I really would like to see a disciplined performance and DEFENCE at the forefront of our play. I was so glad to hear LAsty talk about the D

Defence is the barometer of any team. Always has been and always will be. Ask any NFL team. Similar concepts of the game.'"


oh well at least this made me laugh d040.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Dave K. "Woth Taylor out injured and looking at Kelly's shape,I'd go with

Shaul
Faraimo
Carlos
Griffin
Fonua
Connor
Sneyd
Bowden
Houghton
Ellis
Jones
Ma'u
Savelio

Sao
Satae
Cator
Kelly'"


What’s Kelly’s shape ? Sorry, just not seen anything

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Quote: Isaiah "oh well at least this made me laugh
I aim to please - times are tough

I was out looking for those camoglafue shorts in the shop last week....couldn't find any anywhere!

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I don't think that's far off Dave, although I think Sao would start with Savellio on the bench. Sao has been a big minutes player for us so far.

With the noises being made about Brown we may see him instead of Cator with us having a back on the bench although we can move Griff.

Quote: Dave K. "Woth Taylor out injured and looking at Kelly's shape,I'd go with

Shaul
Faraimo
Carlos
Griffin
Fonua
Connor
Sneyd
Bowden
Houghton
Ellis
Jones
Ma'u
Savelio

Sao
Satae
Cator
Kelly'"


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Quote: Rocknrolla69er "Matongo 53 appearances in what 5 seasons

It's not enough.

I'd release him he's 24'"

Oh come on, it's not even close to 5 seasons is it?

Debut in September 2015 where he played one S8 game, 2016 was never going to a season where he got lots of games given our lack of injuries, and in actual fact didn't get a game all season. 2017 was much the same getting only 7 games (possibly 9 from one source).
the last two seasons he's played 23 and 20 games respectively, he had a shoulder injury in 2019 which put him out for a fair while.

So your 53 in 5 seasons looks somewhat ignorant of the fact he was never going to get a chance to play any/many games in his first two full seasons.

if you want to make a comparison, Scott Taylor played only 52 games in four full seasons at KR at the start of his career, given their actual strength in depth compared to ours I'd say that's comparable in terms of appearances per season and opportunity to play. We had a load of props in front of Masi and very few injuries in 2016, he probably wasn't even really ready.

Simply basing appearances at the start of your career is not a good yardstick at all, that said, do I think he should be doing a bit better for his size, yes, but then not many have shone in the last few seasons have they.
I'd keep hold, indeed I'd keep Fash as well, we got shot of Green which I thought was a mistake but we can't be getting rid simply on the basis players aren't coming through as the next Burgess and/or not playing many games early in their careers.

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Hes 24 and not pushing on, I don't understand why anyone doesn't see that, he's not pushing our starting props, he's not holding down a place. He's not assertive like Brown when he plays, his Carry stats make him look very lazy.

I didn't mention Burgess, I mentioned Byrne and Partington at Wigan, I also mentioned Jack Brown all who can be compared to Matongo.

It's a valid point I stand by it.

Jack Brown over Matongo, and if that's the case I'd let the 24 year old 8th choice prop go

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Is Hodgson the new Griffin, or is it all about pace?:



Here we go.....

Jamie Shaul, Bureta Faraimo, Carlos Tuimavave, Josh Griffin, Jake Connor, Marc Sneyd, Danny Houghton, Chris Satae, Josh Jones, Manu Ma’u, Ligi Sao, Albert Kelly, Joe Cator, Jordan Johnstone, Brad Fash, Jordan Lane, Josh Bowden, Andre Savelio, Mahe Fonua, Gareth Ellis, Ratu Naulago.

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Can't wait! Just got my stream code through too!

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Quote: ccs "Here we go.....

Jamie Shaul, Bureta Faraimo, Carlos Tuimavave, Josh Griffin, Jake Connor, Marc Sneyd, Danny Houghton, Chris Satae, Josh Jones, Manu Ma’u, Ligi Sao, Albert Kelly, Joe Cator, Jordan Johnstone, Brad Fash, Jordan Lane, Josh Bowden, Andre Savelio, Mahe Fonua, Gareth Ellis, Ratu Naulago.'"


Kelly to start, Connor on the bench

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Quote: Wilde 3 "Kelly to start, Connor on the bench'"


i agree

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Quote: bonaire "i agree'"


Hope so but i can see it being the other way around with Connor moving to centre and Griff to back row when Albey comes on.

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Quote: The Camels Hump "What’s Kelly’s shape ? Sorry, just not seen anything'"


From the 1 picture I've seen of him lately I'd say he's round.

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Hope Bowden gets a start

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Quote: MorningGlory23 "Hope Bowden gets a start'"

Hope he performs, been below par for some time.

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