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Quote: Dave K. "he has a good record'"

No he doesn't, he has 2 previous incidents on his record hence getting the higher of the possible number of bans.

Quote: Dave K. "Dec Patton (Warrington Wolves) was found guilty of a Grade D High Tackle charge in the Betfred Super League fixture against Hull FC on Friday March 2. The player contested the grading level but the tribunal were satisfied that it was the correct grading level. The player has two previous incidents of disciplinary on his record (including striking) and within the guidelines set out, a concussive injury should be an aggravating factor which occurred in this instance. Patton received a five-match suspension and £500 fine.'"


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Can't really argue with either IMO.
Sinfield got 2 games for an even more innocuous butt on Luke Dorn a few years back, throw in Watts' previous and 3's not inconsistent with that.
And although Patten's 5 games might have been deemed harsh a few years ago it's now pretty much the case that tackles that are malicious, dangerous, illegal and result in injury are likely to attract that kind of response from the RFL.

I would like to see a system where one of those games was held in reserve for the next time the teams met, as it's unfair that the offended-against team's rivals should benefit. That said, having seen Patton's performance before his dismissal you'd probably prefer that he did play. Whereas Wire might prefer it if Watts didn't.

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Quote: Mild mannered Janitor "Took me a while, but now I know you are simply trolling.

The fact that Patton recklessly swings his arm into the face of Faraimo already dictates its pre meditated, unless of course Patton had never played the game before and had no idea of the rules regarding head contact.

Factor in that the referee had actually called held and was pointing to Faraimo to go back to his mark (ball carrying arm made contact with the ground), will have meant Faraimo was in a slightly relaxed position. I heard the officials call in the stands, so Patton will have heard it being only yards from the referee.

Factor in the damage caused by Patton resulting in Faraimo being lead from the field and being unavailable for at least one more game due to concussion rules, which was far worse than Watts going forehead to forehead with Crosby.

If Watts had genuinely wanted to injury an opponent with a head butt, he would have butted him on the nose or at least in the face (if you want an example of this I seem to remember an incident between Steve Hampson and Gary Freeman in a GB v NZ game in the late 80's, now that was a head butt).'"



i reckon the clenched fist was more for trying to knock the ball out of his grasp rather than knock him out, bear in mind dec's a fairly small halfback against a bloody big winger. I've seen defence for other offences in the past where they've stated smaller players have tried to be aggressive standing up against opposition forwards, that's had varying degrees of success.

Very interested to read the notes from the comittee

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Quote: Fantastic Mr Catpiss "i reckon the clenched fist was more for trying to knock the ball out of his grasp rather than knock him out, bear in mind dec's a fairly small halfback against a bloody big winger. I've seen defence for other offences in the past where they've stated smaller players have tried to be aggressive standing up against opposition forwards, that's had varying degrees of success.

Very interested to read the notes from the comittee'"

and here we are

Quote: Fantastic Mr Catpiss "DEC PATTON - WARRINGTON
HULL FC V WARRINGTON WOLVES - SUPER LEAGUE
RANGE OF RECOMMENDED SANCTIONS IN RELATION TO CHARGED GRADE*

Well, they've set the bar now haven't they. i think its a bit harsh to say he's got previous on his record for striking as that was for tripping.

Ah well.

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Slight contradiction to say [i"provided that Mr Patton’s arm is going down in an attempt to wrap up the ball"[/i, but then later [i"The player states he was unaware of where the ball is when making the tackle" [/i

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Quote: Fantastic Mr Catpiss "i reckon the clenched fist was more for trying to knock the ball out of his grasp rather than knock him out, bear in mind dec's a fairly small halfback against a bloody big winger. I've seen defence for other offences in the past where they've stated smaller players have tried to be aggressive standing up against opposition forwards, that's had varying degrees of success.

Very interested to read the notes from the comittee'"


Before Id seen the verdict, The clenched fist issue is not relevant when its the inside of the elbow / bicep area which clatters Faraimo's jaw. The Still pic which is on the BBC website and this thread shows Pattons fist so far away from the ball it would be laughable to suggest its any attempt to knock the ball out.


But, I know quote the Warrington coach

"Mr Price does go onto say however that as pointed out within the still picture provided that Mr Patton’s arm is going down in an attempt to wrap up the ball and his left foot is planted on the ground."

If Pattons arm is in a downward motion, then it must have been a windmill type action to end up in the position it is.

The verdict basically concludes that Mr Prices is lying.

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Quote: Karen "No he doesn't, he has 2 previous incidents on his record hence getting the higher of the possible number of bans.

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Fair enough Karen, I'll move him up to 4. icon_wink.gif

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patton was definitely intending to give faraimo a good crack with his arm. You don't try and effect a tackle with a clenched fist

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Quote: Clearwing "Can't really argue with either IMO.
Sinfield got 2 games for an even more innocuous butt on Luke Dorn a few years back, throw in Watts' previous and 3's not inconsistent with that.
And although Patten's 5 games might have been deemed harsh a few years ago it's now pretty much the case that tackles that are malicious, dangerous, illegal and result in injury are likely to attract that kind of response from the RFL.

I would like to see a system where one of those games was held in reserve for the next time the teams met, as it's unfair that the offended-against team's rivals should benefit. That said, having seen Patton's performance before his dismissal you'd probably prefer that he did play. Whereas Wire might prefer it if Watts didn't.'"


Correct there mate, I'm a Cas fan and seriously Sinfield merely brushed his forehead against Dorn's cheek more in frustration than anything else. On the other hand when you look at Lockers decapitation of Annikin you have to ask why Patton got 5. Maybe cos he doesn't play for Wigan.

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Quote: Mild mannered Janitor "Before Id seen the verdict, The clenched fist issue is not relevant when its the inside of the elbow / bicep area which clatters Faraimo's jaw. The Still pic which is on the BBC website and this thread shows Pattons fist so far away from the ball it would be laughable to suggest its any attempt to knock the ball out.


But, I know quote the Warrington coach

"Mr Price does go onto say however that as pointed out within the still picture provided that Mr Patton’s arm is going down in an attempt to wrap up the ball and his left foot is planted on the ground."

If Pattons arm is in a downward motion, then it must have been a windmill type action to end up in the position it is.

The verdict basically concludes that Mr Prices is lying.'"

Patton springs up on to his toe on the left foot and his right foot is completely off the ground a split second before that actual still photo, in other words if he was doing what Price says he's doing his feet do not leave the ground, he's a lying bstd and Patton shot is a disgrace.
Can't believe Radford is defending Patton icon_eek.gif icon_mad.gif

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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "Patton springs up on to his toe on the left foot and his right foot is completely off the ground a split second before that actual still photo, in other words if he was doing what Price says he's doing his feet do not leave the ground, he's a lying bstd and Patton shot is a disgrace.
Can't believe Radford is defending Patton
I think this is why Radford actually carries a fair amount of respect with the other coaches, he will not slag off the opposition (irrespective of being given the opportunity to) and prefers to focus on his own players.

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Quote: Mild mannered Janitor "I think this is why Radford actually carries a fair amount of respect with the other coaches, he will not slag off the opposition (irrespective of being given the opportunity to) and prefers to focus on his own players.'"

Radford tells it how it is, happy to have been proven wrong these last few seasons.

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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "
Can't believe Radford is defending Patton
You whining about Radford yet again, who'd have thunk it?
Get over yourself and stop bitching like a little fooking girl.

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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "Patton springs up on to his toe on the left foot and his right foot is completely off the ground a split second before that actual still photo, in other words if he was doing what Price says he's doing his feet do not leave the ground, he's a lying bstd and Patton shot is a disgrace.
Can't believe Radford is defending Patton
I don't think he is defending him as much as refusing to be drawn. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by coming out and having a go at Patton. Just be diplomatic and keep in everyones good books.

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Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "I don't think he is defending him as much as refusing to be drawn. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by coming out and having a go at Patton. Just be diplomatic and keep in everyones good books.'"

Exactly. I'd have been more disappointed if he'd come out and given him a serve. What's done is done and the punishment has been handed down. Time to move on.

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