Don't also forget that the league structure these last 2 seasons has meant more games against the top sides (thanks to the Super 8s), who you would assume are tougher to defend against, plus the reduced size of the league means less poor teams to play against.

Raw points against numbers themselves do not tell the full story by any means. In any case points scoring is just as important in the end when it comes to winning and losing.

Who gives a duck, we won at wembley and talanoa is no liabilty FACT , happy new year to you all

Haha. Fair point. Forgot about that

Q, Did mater buy Bumptious more pins for Xmas for his Radders voodoo doll?
Q, Did Steve Michaels invite him to his party?
Q, Did AP ever personally reply to his petition at the end of this season with a [ilaughing his c0ck off emoticon[/i?

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You know what an average means so of course I took into account all the games (went up to 30 in 2015) otherwise that wouldn't be an average

How did you accurately factor in the other variables between the two tenures?

No, someone mentioned griffin's defensive weaknesses, another said Radford would improve that and I disagreed and stated why.
That's not personal, it was an honest assessment based on facts.
1. Under Radford we (in his comparison 2 seasons to Gentle) had an overall worse defesive record. This is from the average of the league games. despite then getting the most expensive and best squad in decades & his 'own team' something gentle never had chance to and in part down to a terrible run of injuries was still only 1.5 points better in 2016, Gentle never got that chance to 'kick on'.
2. Certain players as I mentioned needed to improve defensively, that so far hasn't happened.
3.Our defense on the right was criminally exposed time and time again.
4. Again as i said, the main reason we improved dramatically was down to attack, a huge jump in points scored on average. If we score a shed load of points/outscore the opposition defence is less of a problem in itself a la Brasil soccer team ethos of old.

discussing where we need to improve is not having a personal pop, it's highlighting realities and if those amongst other things improve then we increase chances of success, I just don't agree that Radford has improved us defensively nor individuals for the reasons I gave.

You are saying Radders won't improve Griffins defence, how do you know this? Can you see into the future? You've also said Radfords rubbish, yet he's done something no other FC coach in history has done, you know nothing other then to post negative about certain people at the club.

You know that really can't be done but the two years of Gentle were far more successful than Radford's and better defence/attack points wise.

However, my opinion is Radford had more experienced youth players that Gentle had just as they stepped up from academy as they had to step due to injuries to senior players.
Radford had the luxury of getting 'his team' in a third year.
Radford had the most expensive squad assembled and quality everywhere especially in the pack and in depth, soething we haven't had in a decade, oh and a relatively injury free Gaz Eliis last season.
Yeah defensively Gentle worked wonders given what he had.

I never said "won't", you've just made that up, please re-read what I said in all my posts.
It's stating I don't see any noticeable improvement in defence under Lee Radford.

Quality everywhere? I thought you said Shaul, Talanoa & Fonua are no good?

Radders was defence coach for Gentle you clown.

What about the other side of the argument...

Radford's side the past two years are playing more games a year, therefore they could be more fatigued?
Radford's side in the past two years are playing in Super 8 games against better opposition in the new league structure.
How many injuries did Radford have to content with in 2015 vs Gentle?
What were the areas of expertise within their backroom staff at the time?

Basically, comparing Gentle vs Radford defensive stats is an utterly futile exercise as there are so many other variables playing a part - Radford himself was involved in both setups in different positions. A simple average points against stat isn't a reliable indicator at all, except when trying to create a stick to beat Radford with.


I would also dispute your point about certain players not improving. Is there still room for improvement? Yes. Have they improved? Also yes. Particularly Talanoa the past couple of seasons. Who else do you feel hasn't improved?

We did ship in more points down the right hand side, but every team do. That's because most teams attack down their left more often as it's usually faster to ship the ball that way with right handed players. We also had a winger playing in the hardest position to defend in at right centre.

Who said Radford would improve Griffin's defence?
Wasn't our points against average only 18.7 in 2016? Pretty impressive to say we were in the Super 8s and our cup run included all top 8 SL sides.