No wonder england ru binned him, he's rubbish

He was a marginal selection before he went to yawnion. Knowing the negative effect that has on players skills to be selected after a handful of games on his return when there is no time to see evidence of any improvement at all is not just mystifying, but a slap in the face to those SL candidates left behind. The one selection that cannot be justified in any way.

I reckon we'll be without Farrell for the NZ game and O'Loughlin will be sweating too after that trip. Fortunately we've got Whitehead and Westerman (both of whom should have started yesterday). What did O'Loughlin do, apart from give away penalties?

Does any1 know the penalty count, the ref seemed to piggy back them up the field when they struggled to make any decent yards. We seemed to get very little from the officials or maybe it's just me being bias

Both have been cleared to play v NZ. I agree with you that Whitehead should be in there, probably for Joel Tomkins of the three.

Westerman ahead of O'Loughlin is a difficult one. I'd go with O'Loughlin, although Westy played well vs Samoa, and does seem his natural successor at 13 for England.

Westerman isn't as good as a fully fit O'Loughlin yet, but that's the problem, he's never fit.

Also annoys me that the 13 gets spelled, messes the front row rotation, especially yesterday.

Fancy England this morning but don't know if they can win by 10.
Sam Tomkin's MoM.

I am nervous about the quality of the Haka

Cameraman straight into a Hull FC flag during the national anthem.
That's what we like to see mate.

Good jump Hall.

Far too much yardage on every tackle for that try

Can't believe Joel Tomkins got picked for the England squad. Even more bemused that after 2 unbelievably average games he is still getting picked!

Good try Hall.

Attack looks very nice. Some brilliant runs by the big lads and the passing looks very quick.

Big set coming