You are like warrington before smith took over.

You need a decent coach who will come in and change the culture at the club. For a club that wants to win trophies not one of your coaching apointments over nearly the last decade have been good. Kear, gentle agar sharp they've all been substandard and that really takes it's toll over a long period of time, the knock on effect of it.

Another issue is your recruitment, which has IMO still been questionable. Theres been alot of chest beating from the fans after a few name players have been signed. Like last season when ellis was signed, there was alot of crowing about how he'd chosen hull because they were going places and the leeds fans response was very much a 'meh wasn't that bothered about him anyway' which naturally drew derision from the hull fans - 'jealous!!'. But the reality is leeds fans knew he'd be pretty beat up from a stint in the nrl and would likely be susceptible to injuries with his best form left in the nrl. The leeds club may have known it too but we don't know the ins and outs. It's the same reason leeds moved webb on, who now suprise suprise is injury prone, the same reason lauititi was moved on. The point is, these are the subtle but smart type of recruitment decisions that the hull club has been lacking.

Some truth in this. Warrington regularly looked far better on paper than they did on the pitch prior to Smith's tenure. Even allowing for some of the issues we've faced this season, we've underachieved given the personnel available.

How many people have tried to sort this problem out?
We have heard it all before, the only excuse we havent heard was that the grass was to long.
Some of the players cant be d to put a shift in.
Perhaps Gentle will be the next to fail.
We could all put a list together of the players who have let us and the club down.

I said this yesterday and agree completely with what your saying

MY POINT IS, FOR EVERY DECENT SIGNING WE MAKE, WE SEEM TO COUNTER-ACT IT WITH MEDIOCRITY, NOW I KNOW THE SALARY CAP IS MASSIVE PART OF THE GAME NOWADAYS, BUT SURELY THERE IS BETTER QUALITY AVAVILBLE THAN FOR EG. GALEA,

Galea, Gentle, McDonnell

Really don't get the McDonnell bashing on here.

He's been far from poor and has been a good signing imo.

Full of morons on here. If you can't see McDonnall has been one of the best players on the whole working effectively with his hands tied as well due to poor attack /forward platform. Also the threads on here are an embarrassment to some people. Won some games some got carried away. Lose some and it's just utterly embarrassing.
Not sure why some invest so much time on here n supposedly money following hull when they're so negative/relish failure and also in most cases thick.

Agree, but you have to admit that there is an underlying culture within our club of accepting mediocrity that has been prevalent for a number of years. Until this is addressed we will not become the club that we should be and the fans deserve.

You are right about morons on here - there is plenty of evidence. However they are fed by club/player comment in the press about "how next week will be better". I think PG will be the next coach that leads us to silverware but until the rhetoric is matched by reality the morons will have their day. It's time for the club to collectively give the PR a miss and do its talking on the pitch. It was always going to take 3 years to turn this club around and the youth structures and active promotion of the juniors into first grade is the future but in the meantime the senior squad has to buck up and start playing for Hull FC on and off the pitch so to speak.

Don't think there is an accepting of mediocrity. Believe a lots been done to change that, just takes time. Your talking about attitude n culture, that's never an overnight thing. To be fair we are under achieving this yr but Pearsons invested in the right areas to breed good practice n culture. We're struggling at the min, but look how fast winning became losing, it can easily swing again. Start winning and half these questions go away.
It's a long term plan, this team was never going to start sweeping all before within 2yrs. If we do get to anywhere near the top it'll come with bumps n struggles. To be expected after where this journeys starting point was.

To be fair gentle n any coach in this kind of run is limited in what to say to the press. Usually 2 default modes -blame/moan or explain how your trying to fix it. He may want to tear into the players but wouldn't be right or professional.

I think most people are happy with the way the youth development has improved, but still a little concerned with first team performances. There's no escaping the fact that we have underachieved given who has been available to us this season. Until we start playing at or close to our full potential on a more regular basis, questions will remain about Gentle's suitability for the job. Personally, I think he probably is the right guy, but I'm less convinced than I once was.

Sums up how I feel. For me the proof will be the attitude of the young players that come through the system in the next few years. I still feel that for all the changes in playing personnel and management over the years there remains an issue with attitude and application in certain games. Were does this come from ?

The clubs youth development is totally dependent on the strength of the community game. Any one involved in the amateur game at youth level will tell you its in crisis and there is absolutely no attempt by either of the professional clubs in this town to address the low numbers playing the game.

For example you maybe surprised to learn that at under 14 level there are only 6 teams who can consistently raise 13 players. There are another 2 teams that can play an 11 or 9 aside game. In reality there are around 120 boys playing the game at U14 level and a similar amount at U15 level.

How can two SL teams expect to fill their 16s and 19s teams with quality players from a supply chain so small !!

So in reality the youth development spin is just that, spin.