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i hope we give seymour n holdsworth at least 5 games together to gel as heremaia isnt a 7 & is more effective in the hooking role, especially as houghton isnt firing on all cylinders n his dummy dummy pass routine is too predictable.
weve tried putting round pegs in square holes at half back for years now n it just hasnt worked.
incidently mat king was gash in his first season at warrington n he didnt turn out too bad did he
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| Quote: seanyboy190909 "After watching the game back from last night I'm just wanna hit back at a few who really don't understand rugby is a game of momentum.
Firstly if anyone thinks Seymour was poor last night wants shooting. The guy was a trojan in defence and showed some FC defenders leaving a lot to be desired. The shear fact he was poor offensively was because he Leeds forwards dominated for large parts of the game. Sort the forwards out and get them winning individual battles then you'll see Seyour and Holdworth flourish. If they don't I'll happily hold my hand and say I was wrong.
Secondly we matched the champions quite well for the best part of an hour, with in my opinion a good performance from young Jason Crookes. Leeds were always going to attack our right hand side. It's relatively small in Crookes, Arundel and Seymour defending. With them finding Ellis was out too only fuelled their game plan.
Thirdly early on in the second half, if things had gone a little differently and the gods were looking down on us, you'd all be calling for Seymour to get man of the match with a try he missed by a matter of inches and a grubber kick to Yeaman that bounced too high at the vital time. This would probably put us 6-18 up against the champions away on the first game of the season with a new team structure. Although my thoughts on this point are hypothetical , they are completely rational and anyone who knows and follows and possibly played RL , knows this could have quite easily have happened , spirit and belief in this new set of players would have been up( after it been damaged with the injury to their captain in the warm up ) then who knows what might have happened.
But the fact is, it didn't happen for us. I'm not bothered. You get up, you dust yourself down and you carry on. Things will be learnt juking the week and we'll be better for it.
It's unfortunate Leeds went on to get a shoreline like they did, and that for me is the ONLY down side to this defeat.
Sorry if you don't agree but if you do your probably the type that dwells on the negative. This I'm afraid is not me, and I'm looking forward to a much improved turn out against Bulls next week.'"
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| Quote: Superbowl Scott "At least you admit you've already made your mind up about him.'"
Why how long should it take to make up one's mind about any player? |
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| Quote: Smiggs "Quote: Smiggs "At least you admit you've already made your mind up about him.'"
Why how long should it take to make up one's mind about any player?'"
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| Quote: seanyboy190909 "After watching the game back from last night I'm just wanna hit back at a few who really don't understand rugby is a game of momentum.
Firstly if anyone thinks Seymour was poor last night wants shooting. The guy was a trojan in defence and showed some FC defenders leaving a lot to be desired. The shear fact he was poor offensively was because he Leeds forwards dominated for large parts of the game. Sort the forwards out and get them winning individual battles then you'll see Seyour and Holdworth flourish. If they don't I'll happily hold my hand and say I was wrong.
Secondly we matched the champions quite well for the best part of an hour, with in my opinion a good performance from young Jason Crookes. Leeds were always going to attack our right hand side. It's relatively small in Crookes, Arundel and Seymour defending. With them finding Ellis was out too only fuelled their game plan.
Thirdly early on in the second half, if things had gone a little differently and the gods were looking down on us, you'd all be calling for Seymour to get man of the match with a try he missed by a matter of inches and a grubber kick to Yeaman that bounced too high at the vital time. This would probably put us 6-18 up against the champions away on the first game of the season with a new team structure. Although my thoughts on this point are hypothetical , they are completely rational and anyone who knows and follows and possibly played RL , knows this could have quite easily have happened , spirit and belief in this new set of players would have been up( after it been damaged with the injury to their captain in the warm up ) then who knows what might have happened.
But the fact is, it didn't happen for us. I'm not bothered. You get up, you dust yourself down and you carry on. Things will be learnt juking the week and we'll be better for it.
It's unfortunate Leeds went on to get a shoreline like they did, and that for me is the ONLY down side to this defeat.
Sorry if you don't agree but if you do your probably the type that dwells on the negative. This I'm afraid is not me, and I'm looking forward to a much improved turn out against Bulls next week.'"
Good analysis. + I'd almost forgotten about Seymours near-try at what was a pivotal point of the game. |
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| Quote: seanyboy190909 "Matt King.'"
Matt King was a proven quality player before he got here, SoO/Aussie international. You're right he took time to settle. Seymour has brought his Aussie form with him, average. |
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It's Brett's fault that Auntie Kaff signed him.
It's Brett's fault that Pearson said he wanted rid of him, in a roundabout way.
It's Brett's fault that Pearson proceeded to fail in signing either Rangi or Scotty.
It's Brett's fault that he always appears to give 100%.
It's Brett's fault....................................
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Open your eyes,he's been here over a year,this isn't one game syndrome,the blokes just not good enough,we'll see what happens for the rest of the season and I'll guarantee that it will be the same as the previous season,he's on a par with Thorman.
It isn't Brett's fault,he's just not very good.
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the most successful super league team of the past 7 years (leeds if your a little dim) have had the same 3 pivots in sinfield burrows n mcguire for all that time n know each others game inside out. if one isnt performing well another of them steps up to take charge, but you dont get that understanding over night, it grows with time.
incidently dobson was second rate in nrl but hasnt done too bad here has he
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And he had 10 years in the NRL with various clubs who must have all thought he was cr@p, so he must have been.
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| Quote: seanyboy190909 "After watching the game back from last night I'm just wanna hit back at a few who really don't understand rugby is a game of momentum.
Firstly if anyone thinks Seymour was poor last night wants shooting. The guy was a trojan in defence and showed some FC defenders leaving a lot to be desired. The shear fact he was poor offensively was because he Leeds forwards dominated for large parts of the game. Sort the forwards out and get them winning individual battles then you'll see Seyour and Holdworth flourish. If they don't I'll happily hold my hand and say I was wrong.
Secondly we matched the champions quite well for the best part of an hour, with in my opinion a good performance from young Jason Crookes. Leeds were always going to attack our right hand side. It's relatively small in Crookes, Arundel and Seymour defending. With them finding Ellis was out too only fuelled their game plan.
Thirdly early on in the second half, if things had gone a little differently and the gods were looking down on us, you'd all be calling for Seymour to get man of the match with a try he missed by a matter of inches and a grubber kick to Yeaman that bounced too high at the vital time. This would probably put us 6-18 up against the champions away on the first game of the season with a new team structure. Although my thoughts on this point are hypothetical , they are completely rational and anyone who knows and follows and possibly played RL , knows this could have quite easily have happened , spirit and belief in this new set of players would have been up( after it been damaged with the injury to their captain in the warm up ) then who knows what might have happened.
But the fact is, it didn't happen for us. I'm not bothered. You get up, you dust yourself down and you carry on. Things will be learnt juking the week and we'll be better for it.
It's unfortunate Leeds went on to get a shoreline like they did, and that for me is the ONLY down side to this defeat.
Sorry if you don't agree but if you do your probably the type that dwells on the negative. This I'm afraid is not me, and I'm looking forward to a much improved turn out against Bulls next week.'"
Some of the most sense I've ever read on here. |
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I thought Seymour was alright tbh. Lynch and O'Meley were gash but i dont see them getting anywhere near the same amount of critism
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| weve all got different views on last nights game and last seasons form but what do we do ap is not going to sign a quality 7 til atleast september so my reading is back what weve got.  |
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| Quote: seanyboy190909 "After watching the game back from last night I'm just wanna hit back at a few who really don't understand rugby is a game of momentum.
Firstly if anyone thinks Seymour was poor last night wants shooting. The guy was a trojan in defence and showed some FC defenders leaving a lot to be desired. The shear fact he was poor offensively was because he Leeds forwards dominated for large parts of the game. Sort the forwards out and get them winning individual battles then you'll see Seyour and Holdworth flourish. If they don't I'll happily hold my hand and say I was wrong.
Secondly we matched the champions quite well for the best part of an hour, with in my opinion a good performance from young Jason Crookes. Leeds were always going to attack our right hand side. It's relatively small in Crookes, Arundel and Seymour defending. With them finding Ellis was out too only fuelled their game plan.
Thirdly early on in the second half, if things had gone a little differently and the gods were looking down on us, you'd all be calling for Seymour to get man of the match with a try he missed by a matter of inches and a grubber kick to Yeaman that bounced too high at the vital time. This would probably put us 6-18 up against the champions away on the first game of the season with a new team structure. Although my thoughts on this point are hypothetical , they are completely rational and anyone who knows and follows and possibly played RL , knows this could have quite easily have happened , spirit and belief in this new set of players would have been up( after it been damaged with the injury to their captain in the warm up ) then who knows what might have happened.
But the fact is, it didn't happen for us. I'm not bothered. You get up, you dust yourself down and you carry on. Things will be learnt juking the week and we'll be better for it.
It's unfortunate Leeds went on to get a shoreline like they did, and that for me is the ONLY down side to this defeat.
Sorry if you don't agree but if you do your probably the type that dwells on the negative. This I'm afraid is not me, and I'm looking forward to a much improved turn out against Bulls next week.'"
Very good post. |
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| Quote: Mars "Very good post.'"
Agree with this, Holdsworths been poor so far, Leeds just carried on where there left of last season, not to many disruptions and it showed, we've got to stick with holdsworth/seymour IMO, Seymour was no where near our worst player last season and last night, like any hb, he needs room to work, everytime we recieved the bal a leeds player was on us. Making Seymour a scapegoat and dropping him friday won't help anyone, i hope the boo boys dont give him a hard time friday night! |
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