The players obviously are not happy with Gentle or the new regime. Why else so many of these disinterested performances? why else players like Manu, Turner, Moa, O'Meley all wanting out?? something not right at all.

Manu - money
Turner - McRae
Moa - NRL
O'Meley - who cares

- Moa wants out because of the NRL
- O'Meley hasn't being offered a new contract, I get the impression he likes to be king pin or else he'll spit the dummy out.
- Turner wants out so he can go live closer to home, possible dislike of McRae but he's hardly proving to be a massive loss.
- Maybe Manu wants a new challenge? Maybe he'll still stay?

ATEOTD, Gentle has made such a big improvement to us and if the players don't want to be a part of that, they should F off.

Manu is not staying. Not staying. He's leaving. He won't be here next season. Gone.

Spot on for me.

I think some supporters are forgetting that Gentle has been lumbered with his current crop of players and because we had a good first half of the season expectation levels have now become unrealistic.

New owner, new coach, new Assistant coach, new director of rugby, new training ground, new physio, new conditioner, Same old $hit.

Quite frankly I doubt he is the coach to make us into a top side, I don't however believe he is the spawn of the devil and responsible for all the woes in the world which is what most of your fans would have had us believe.

I was just pointing out that for some reason, this year the players are taking some of the stick but previously they were untouchable and it was all (apparently) Agar's fault. Now Gentle is untoucahbale and it is all the players' fault. The truth as ever probably lies somewhere in between the two.

Quite right.... but...

Same players. Same attitudes. You can try and change them. But unfortunatley it doesn't always quite work. They need to wear the pride and passion that only certain individuals have.

When Gentle arrived he spent the whole of pre-season trying to teach the squad "How to want to win" (this is a fact) it seems he's struggling to drill it into them what winning is all about, and if this is the case. F**k em off!

Yesterday was completely unacceptable!

amazing isn't it, we got the "give Agar time" "it's not his team" garbage for FOUR seasons, Gentle gets 4 months!!

Gentle is a great coach, 10 of our current first team are worth keeping, the rest need to go and "find a new challenge"

That many??

Isn't that basically what I said? Where's the myth?

If you've read what I posted as me implying something sinister is going on, you're as guilty of misinterpreting my post as what you're accusing people misinterpreting Peter Gentle's statement.

I'm pi$$ed off about recent weeks because of the progress I believe we had made prior to the last 10 minutes of the magic game. However, the underlying $hitness that runs through the team is still apparent and why after all the changes this $hitness in attitude and application is still rife those within the club who hold senior positions needs to identify and weed out sooner rather than later.

TBH, for once I think Standee has made a 'controversial' point with real substance and not for effect. Putting Crooks, Bowden and Kent to one side as fringe players still, the only players I'd definitely say are worth keeping are: Yeaman, Briscoe, Houghton, Lynch, Manu, Tickle, Whiting, and Moa. I'm still undecided to varying degrees and for varying reasons on Seymour, Westerman, Heremaia, O'Carroll, and Pitts. The rest can go for me.

You queried what the "in house issues" might be. Their aren't any in house issues in the sense that you implied. Just the standard type of issues associated with a poor performance but Gentle decided to keep them in house. If you don't want to be "misinterpreted" then I suggest you make yourself clearer in the first place.