The signing of Martin will help Turner. If Turner has what it takes he will fight for his place and make it impossible for Gentle to leave him out. When Gleeson 'left' Turner had no competition for his place and that isn't good for him. If he is good enough at centre - and the jury is still out on that - then it is Turner who will prove it and no one else.

FWIW I think Gentle may see him more as a back rower/loose forward than a centre and he may get opportunities in the pack going forward. Personally I don't think he's creative enough for a ball playing 13 but does have the physique for second row.

I agree, he had a decent season, and improved as the season progressed. He showed us what he can do near the line and scored a few impressive tries. I hope Gentle has it in his plans to develop him further.

Agree with that. Unless Crooks has a wonder breakthrough season, I'd like to see both Martin and Turner out and replaced with just 1 good quality centre with Crooks/Cunningham providing backup (I'd still like to see Whiting try and put weight on for the back row).

He played at centre constantly from round 17 through to the end of the season, 10 out of those 13 games with the same winger, Whiting. When it came to the big games he still seemed to get caught standing and pointing/waving at his outside as try scorers went by, or drawn too far infield leaving Whiting with one-on-ones in too much space for him to deal with against quicker players IMO. He also managed to make Ablett look a class act threequarter 2 weeks running.

I'm personally of the opinion that the defensive structure/positioning out wide is influenced much more by the centre than the winger, and ours/his is shocking. That's another reason why I find it all the more unfair that Sharp copped so much flak and was left out in the cold instead.

So you are saying that an inexperienced 22year old centre under Agar's regime is the reason we shipped so many tries that side..fair enough
However Whiting made a lot of errors on the wing last season, that's not to say that Sharp wouldn't have either and that those errors weren't influenced by his centre's lack of positional awareness but lets put into perspective with the rest of the squad performance last year and he shouldn't be the one shown the door.
I still wanted Sharp there tbh but given Agar couldn't coach a bunch of 5 year olds meant Sharps' confidence was knocked about a lot IMO.

No, I didn't mean it to sound like I was only blaming Turner, that would be grossly unfair. It's also easy to see that he is not the only issue as the right hand side has had problems both when he doesn't play and since before he was even here.

I was trying to get at the fact that IMO he is more of a defensive weakness than Sharp who paid the penalty for poor showings, whereas I actually think that Sharp is more worth persevering with.

Turner has improved in attack but not enough in defence, a similar story to Hall before him.

And I don't think he should be the [ione[/i shown the door, but [ione of the several[/i (and we have offloaded some of them this close season). The fact that there have been worse performances from other players is not a good enough reason on it's own to retain anyone.

the one hope i have is that westerman plays 13 otherwise we will just end up losing him to leeds when sinfield chucks it

i remember when ellery hanley first played for bradford he was hit and miss then look what happened turner is the future of hull

So are you comparing Turner to Hanley. I dont ever remember him been much of miss at bradford. I do remember him getting 7 tries against us in 1 season 4 of em at boulevard. turner would do well to get 7 in season against good sides

Turner can only dream he'l be that good.Sorry but if we want to be serious contenders in 2013 then the likes of Turner have to go...we will have Whiting and Crooks will be better for a season with the 1st team.

If it's true that Agar is the problem with al of our players then Turner's defence can be improved. He's a big lad aged 22 who knows his way to the try line. Let's give him a chance eh? Surely one of Martin's key roles is to help him develop as a centre.