And the reason for that is?

We have a poor coach who has no clue on how RL should be played. We could have 13 of the best players in world rugby playing for us and Agar will get them playing one out rugby, not supporting play, no dummy runners, no kicking game, no one running on the angle etc, etc.

I have simply had enough of watching drab RL, i will not be renewing my pass for 2011...the first time in 14 years! I will of course still support the guys but i'll pick and choose the games

Knowing someone who was party to one conversation and them relaying that conversation to you doesn't seem like a 'definite' basis for deciding anything. One conversation does not necessarily betray the events leading up to that conversation and apportioning blame based on someone else's version of events is always risky.

For example, if EXPRO and Jake The Peg had witnessed the same conversation, I reckon you'd get two very different versions of what actually took place.

There are enough reasons to be sceptical about Agar's suitability for the job based on things that we can see. I just don't think it's helpful to assume that there are more reasons based on stuff we haven't witnessed first hand.

This is a very good point you make .

You reckon? Who had ever heard of george carmont or amos roberts before they came over? Similarly pat richards. None of them were considered that great before this season. Add in an inexperienced goulding and a past his best martin gleeson and it's hardly a 3/4 line of superstars. they've been playing their star half back at full back recently and leuluai is flitting between hooker and SH.

leeds and saints have pretty much been relying on kids all season in the 3/4's due to injuries.

wire I'll give you but I think we have plenty of quality in our back line, we just don't use it. We have a current GB winger who hardly ever touches the ball and a former GB centre who gets similar service

I'd heard of them! But you'd be right in saying they were good, if not exceptional NRL players It just shows how poor the standard in SL is compared to the NRL, despite what the RFL and SKy would have you believe.

Who had ever heard of richards and carmont before they came over? Hardly world class signings, plus wigan were reported to want to get rid of richards a couple of seasons back. They're both solid players but I doubt they'd be more than fringe players at most top NRL clubs.

How do you think yeaman and briscoe would go in teh wigan back line? Briscoe in particular is better quality than any of the wigan 3/4's

I thought the reason the current GB winger hardly ever touches the ball is because he's playing outside the former GB centre who never passes to him

You're picking players on form though. yes, we'd take plenty of wigan players now, but how many Hull players would look much better under maguire?

I think you're mistaken, people were delighted we won the derby but I don't recall anyone (except yourself, the Expro and one or two others) getting carried away that we were an excellent side all of a sudden. '"

It's because yeaman sees that little of the ball he wonders what the egg shaped thing is when it comes his way

like ive said before our team isnt that bad, yeh ok we could do with 1 or 2 more signings in certain positions but when you look at wigan team on paper it isnt great, leeds,saints,wire have all better teams on paper but its the coaching. if we had a top class coach and we were well orginised ect then alot of our current players would look alot better the likes of yeamen,tansey,horne ect who have been critisised recently. when mcguire took other wigan he brought in 1 player in deacon who hasnt played alot at all and turned them from finishing 5th or whatever it was to top of league comfortably playing some great attacking rugby without bringing a wholelot of players in. what im saying is alot of our players who arnt really performing atm but under a good coach these players would flurish

Say Wigan finish 1 Warrington 2 and both DON:T make the Grand Final and Warrington don't make the Cup Final How would they fan feel ..Its possible the Grand Final could be Saints v Leeds plus the Cup Final could be Saint/Leeds v Catalan it just one of those seasons were anything could happen ..The Grand Final could even be 2 dark (horses ) Teams

Forget form; the Wigan players are a different class. Yes they are playing better, but they are also better.

Perhaps could make a case for Manu (btw it is a scandal he's in the england squad.)