Ah simple then. Get rid of Agar in any case as the coach on your thinking plays no part in the team set up at all.

Its clear to anyone with a brain that either he is tactically inept or he is not preparing the squad well enough. The team have been up for 2 games all season. Saints away (which was simply for Longy I think) and the Rovers game. That is down to motivation, desire and tactical awareness.

The players share the blame but the only thing that has not changed over the past 2 1/2 years is the coach and the level of performances. Bottom line is that the coach has to take the blame for that at some point. That time is now. He has "his" team and the performances are still dire.

Its not as if its all about winning its also about the performances and the majority of the time the performance is dire. Once the team go behind by two or more scores there is no chance of a recovery and thats down to desire and commitment to the cause and fighting for the manager / coach.

I think its interesting that when similar threads started last year many more people were sticking up for the board, saying they were 'loyal' and would go regardless, and that posters suggesting boycotts etc were pathetic...

this years thread we've had one person questioning if the posters 'have balls' and that's about all.

speaking to people offline and its a similar situation, the negative feeling towards the board seems to be growing.

I spoke to a lot of our fans at Murrayfield yesterday and i got the same response from every one of them. Not one of them has any faith in Agar anymore last year people would be more protective of him stating stuff like "injuries, not his squad etc etc" but now it seems just about all of them are starting to wonder why the man is still in the job.

Very interesting. I think the board as well as some fans (and I include myself amongst them) have been deluding themselves that we are a "big" club on the back of a a few top 4 finishes and the CC win, and consequently that the last couple of years have been a Cooke-induced hiatus before we return to the right end of the table.

The club has been very keen (quite rightly) to publicise the commercial and community aspects of its operation and declare these successes. But at the end of the day, the raison d'etre of a sporting club of our size, history and commercial stability should be to win trophies on a consistent basis. This should be the overriding mission of the board, and is one where they are failing abjectly.

There are a couple of possible scenarios here:

1)The board don't give a stuff about Hull FC winning trophies and hold shares in the club as a non loss-making hobby. Was Kath gutted about losing to Leeds in the CC, for example? No idea, but probably didn't lose any sleep over it. The conspiracy theory here is obviously that the Hetheringtons like to ensure that FC continues to turn in a profit and pay Kath but fail to provide any threat to Leeds. Sounds incredible, no idea whether there's any truth in it. But if this is the case, they should step aside if there are any potential alternative buyers-in-waiting. If there aren't we need to recognise the club's complete lack of ambition and either continue to support it or watch the club slide.

2) The club do have ambitions to win trophies and genuinely believe Agar is the man who will deliver. In which case, as business people, they should take a long hard look at Agar's KRAs and re-appraise his performances, benchmarking them against the competition. In which case, as rational people persuaded by facts, they should see they've made a monumental feck-up in extending Agar's deal.

The other thing I don't understand is the frequently repeated mantra that Agar is a "yes" man and that no coach who's his own man would accept the terms the club impose, that the coach doesn't determine his own signings. In which case the board should be judged on the team's results as they are directly appointing the coach and the team.

if i'm wrong then i'm wrong but i'll stand by what i say and will be man enough to admit it...but if mr agar manages to turn things around i shall chuckle immensley with delight. i'll wait in hope

We've sacked two coaches in the last 4 years who were far more successful and capable than Agar. So why has Agar been rewarded with a new two year contract? We've gone from a side that finished 2nd and 4th under Peter Sharp in 2006 and 2007 to a side that has finished 11th and 12th under Agar in 2008 and 2009. Add to that the fact we play the dullest and most basic brand of rugby I have ever seen a Hull side play and it should be clear for everyone to see that Richard Agar is completely out of his depth. His assessment of the performance yesterday confirmed that. A poor kicking game and not taking our chances? If Quins had taken their chances we'd have conceded 50! We simply did not compete. It's nothing personal, I'm sure he's a nice guy, but the statistics (30-odd% win ratio) point to one simple conclusion.

At this point last season we had won 7 lost 6 in the league, been knocked out of the Challenge Cup, and had been subject to numerous abject performances by a group of players that tried hard but looked like they'd met for the first time 10 minutes before the match. This season we have recruited the likes of O'Meley and Fitzgibbon, who have been excellent, but the team performances remain the same. It's like Groundhog Day. The lack of action by the board to rectify this situation is nothing short of disgraceful and, for me at least, is undoing all of the excellent work they have done to put the club on a sound financial footing. If making a profit each and every year was the most important thing for me then I’d go and support B f****** P!

We all understand how important it is that club are run properly from a financial point of view and credit to the board for that but that should be to the benefit of the playing side. We should be competing at the top end of the table. St Helens, Wigan, and Warrington looked like they belong in a division above us this weekend.

It’s not too late to save our season. The board need to accept that they have made a serious error in awarding Agar a new contract, wish him all the best, and recruit a top class replacement as soon as possible. There are a few who, at least on paper, are available. Stephen Kearney, for example, has a connection with the club, has worked as an assistant to Craig Bellamy at the same Melbourne Storm club that produced Michael Maguire, and would be a firm favourite with the fans. He’d certainly be my choice.

Good post. 4 years on from a Grand final appearance . We should now have been cemented as one of the " Big 4" teams. Why is it Administration after administration fail to kick on from a promising start. Off the field, We are miles ahead of most teams in Super League but there will come a time where these teams catch us up and finally over take us .

I was annoyed at the clubs decision to get rid of Peter Sharpe (i await the barrage of abuse)....i was gutted we then went on to appoint a clueless assistant in Agar....i was mortified to learn that we have extended his contract so early into this season.

Like someone has already stated both John Kear and Peter Sharpe went for far less than this idiot has turned out. I have no faith whatsoever in anything to do with the current set up.....we are so successful off the pitch yet so clueless on it...it hurts, really hurts!!!

I thought the time had come for Sharp to go, as he looked a down and 'beaten' man...but I had no idea we'd just promote his assistant, seemingly without even looking around for anyone else.

at least Sharp's teams defended well, and I'd even prefer the frequent 'no-shows' from Kear's side in the league if it meant some big performances in big games. Agar manages to get his team to give frequent no shows without the payback of any big performances or cup runs.

One of the best young coaches in England said this of yesterdays performance....

It’s really hard when you’ve got players missing, but there are plenty of people banging on your door when they’re not selected when we are at full strength, so now is their chance, but we’ve got some guys that are not aiming up.”

To me that is yet another excuse or the same old excuse. Every team without exception in SL has had their fair share of injuries yet they seem to battle through adversity and play with heart and soul. We on the other hand get injuries and fall behind that as an excuse or at least the coach does. We all accepted that as an excuse last year as we were waiting for him to get his team. But its the end of the line now.

In any business people either work for the boss or they don't. If they respect the boss they will work their arris' off for that boss. Longy was quoted as saying he signed for Hull because of what Rich said. He came here to win things as he is a winner. I don't doubt the sentiment, but its now clear that Agar talks a good game when he needs to, but he is incapable of uniting a team to deliver what we all want to see. That being a team that fight and battle for each other. Have immense pride in the shirt and club we all love and want to succeed both for themselves personally and for the team and fans as a whole.

Wire when they scored were celebrating as if they had won the cup. I don't see that from Hull's players. I have seen it in the past but not now. That says to me that the desire and passion is not there and they just go through the motions to pick up the pay cheque.