Too much one man rugby tonight, there seemed to be no one backing up, all credit to Salford they exposed our weaknesses on the wings. Long and Briscoe on the left must be the worse defensive formation ive seen for a while. The rightside was not much better letting Boughton score twice. The board wont sack him, i just hope they dont renew his contract.

We could sack Agar but we'd still be left with players who give penalties away, wingers who can't defend and players knocking on.

Or just maybe a better coach would rectify some of those persistant problems.

a better coach would be getting better out of the players he has.

in the team tonight only Tansey, Lyne and Houghton didn't have international honors of some kind. And even then Tansey played some NRL. You don't hit international level by being poop, so it must be the coaching.

Agar isn't the best coach around and I have now seen a lot to make my mind that Agar will never have us at the top. But there are certain things the coach can not be blamed for, discipline, dropped balls and poor tackling are pretty much them.

I for the life of me don't think Agar instructed three players to be bulldozed over there own line twice (by a winger half there size), I also don't think he tells Tom Briscoe not to catch kicks or tells Lauaki to gob off at the referee at any chance.

I agree his tactics were not the best and in attack we looked ordinary, but the players must take responsibility.

agar's the one who prepares them mentally and physically all week. If we're not ready come game day it's down to him

'discipline, dropped balls and poor tackling ' come from good preparation.

absolutely, they share responsibility and all the blame should not lie with Agar alone.

Different players to last two seasons, same faults on display. Wonder what the common factor is?

Discipline and poor tackling can definitely be attributed to coaching when they are persistent. And it's precisely because Agar is doing nothing to players as consequences of their performances that they are not taking responsibility. Maybe if their places were in jeopardy they'd cut some of it out.

Not buying it.

If the players can't do these basics they shouldn't be at pro level.

as far as i'm concerned he's got until the cup game to sort it, another 3 league losses (making it 4 in a row) and going out of the cup will make his position untenable

sorry, that [ishould[/i make his position untenable

But the thing is, we've seen most of these players either at previous clubs or under previous Hull coaches when they haven't struggled with these basics. So the question becomes, why now?

ok they shouldnt be pro level but he signed them !!!

The coach is responsible for the previously mentioned frailties otherwise there would be no need for a coach at all

but we had a similar thing at the end of the kear reign. when sharp came in the same players who neglected to do the basics all of a sudden made us a good side who got us to a grand final