Just been thinking about this debate of is it the quality of players we have or is it Agar;s game plan and tactics....surely if it's the former and Agar's game plan is to be creative with dummy runners, 2nd phase attacks etc then when this doesn't happen why the hell isn't he on the touchline barking orders out?!!?

I would be. I'd be there as close to the touchline as allowed given them encouragement....telling them to get a roll on, fast plays etc....clearly it is down to Agar's tactics and game plan simple as that. He sits up in the west stands detached and as far away from the players as he can be!

Exactly, nail on the head.

A good coach shouldn't have to be down there shouting at players. He should do adequate work prior to the game to ensure that such an approach isn't necessary.

I find it a little worrying that he's obviously going to be our coach next season. His game plan, interchange policy, attacking and defensive patterns are all so inept that I wonder whether a (much needed) change in playing personnel will make sufficient difference.

Or will we have to write next year off as well?

And both points have precisely what to do with whether you can coach players to support play and provide dummy runners? This is the point we are discussing and has zero to do with ability or having a scrum half. You could pick a handful of fans from the stands and get them to run forwards and follow the ball, it's not rocket science. And your suggestion that it's got nothing to do with Agar, it's because none of the players are willing to do it is quite frankly ludicrous.

My concerns exactly.

Looks like we'll have the opportunity to find out the hard way.

Sharp did the chat to the fans in the bar last night and said it was a mixed bag. He thought in the first half we played some good stuff and threw the ball about better than we have all season. Still too many mistakes and it was the tries either side of half time and the bounce of the ball from the poor bomb that made the difference. When asked , by the official with the mike ,where do we go from here he started to praise Thorman saying what bottle he showed and how some of the rest of the players should be looking at themselves and taking a leaf out of his book. No one mentioned Thorman but he felt the need to defend him. He also said that there were a lot of sore and cut knees cos the pitch was shorn of grass and being reseeded and told us how he had to put up with that at Huddersfield as well!
And that was it.
Very insightful - not. Miserable. Clueless. No plan. No hope.
As long as we have Agar Sharp and the current coaching team you could bring in the full Australian test team and they too would be stood under the posts looking away from each other not talking and petulantly throwing water bottles on the floor. These players clearly do not want to/are not enjoying playing under this regime. The coaches seem clueless in man management as well as tactics.
Someone said to me that hearing the comments praising Agar from the new signings he must be a hypnotist - clearly it only works on the phone.

It's not just this season though Dave....it wil more than likely be same next year!

I'm not a fan of sacking coaches but our entire gameplan seems to be hoping somebody comes up with an individual effort rather than making something happen as a team. Agar has had plenty of time to implement some structure to our play but its just not happening. It needs a whole new coaching set up and getting rid of some the deadwood at the club.

that will be drifting away at the end of the season

Does that include agar?

And the no $hit sherlock award for this season goes to.............we was all saying this at the start of the season and our early matches masked over the problems....they are both inept,simple as...the board are now bringing the players in...will they give us the coach to get the best out of them.

Just been a quote on Sky by Phil Clark where he said that Terry Matterson "gets value for money from his players and squeezes every last drop of skill and energy out of them each game". Oh how I wish we could say he same about our coaching staff.

The chances of this happening being significantly reduced with Manu out injured. Last night Thorman looked the most likely TBH

You've been the same thing repeatedly for the last few months.....Sherlock