The principle is the same though.

If we continue to get served rubbish on the field why would people go? We've already seen a huge drop in attendance (14K to 12K to 11K in three home league games) and people vote with their feet. I'd be surprised if we get 10K for Saints especially if it's on telly

Oh ffs, getting the wrong end of the stick again. My point is that whether we stay there or not, we are 6th in the table, even if we don't win a game for the rest of the season we will still have been the 6th best side at the half way point and therefore claiming that we are 6th is not clutching at straws.

Irrelevant only because there's no relegation. So you'd be happy scrapping for the wooden spoon?

before the season started we where joint top - suppose when the season's finished we could look back and say - we where joint top in feb its been a good season

Oh my god.

I'm not saying anything like that. The point is we are 6th. We may well drop down the table, but we havn't yet, so the season is still alive. I'm not "clutching at straws" by saying we are currently 6th, I am merely stating a fact.

Wishfull thinking on your part darling, but once again, you are going to be dissapointed in the very near future.

Look, I'm not saying that it doesn't matter if we drop down the table. I am saying that as of now, we are the 6th best side in the country, and this is proven by the table. Tbf saying that it's irrelent wasn't a very good choice of words. But it doesn't change the fact that even if we do slide down the table we were the sixth best side in the first half of the season, and therefore havn't been quite as bad as people have made out. What we do in the second half of the season doesn't change that fact.

Fair enough.

But 6th best is not good enough, although it probably reflects the standard of play and creativitity at the moment.

No we are not we are 6th in the table at present, they are not the same thing. If we are the 6th best team then how come Warrington who are below us recently beat us at home? We are a poor team despite our current position, surely you can see that. We all love this club and the fact that we are arguing amongst ourselves shows the passion we all have for it, but things need to change and burying your head in the sand will not help one bit.

Absolutely spot on, why do people constantley think there awesome fans for supporting such crap. I regular watche dus get dicked in 99 and even watched us play in the lower divisions for a few seasons. Going since 94 I've expiernced more bad then I have good. The difference now is that we have the ability to be one of the top sides in the country, yet we just seem happy to have a board who take our money in exchange for excuses. When our passion is matched on the field and in the board room I may start to reconsider my decision.

Anyone who dare to say to me the any kind of wether bull can go and themselves considering half of them probably didn't care when they really was needed.

Hi James.