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| Quote: BraddersFC "Even if you prove that Horne assisted tries in games other than the previous 4 you still of you work ahead of you. You still need to prove that given the promise that the rest of the squad that there's anything that 'Horne's done this year that can't be done comfortably by another capable halfback'.'"
Nobody needs to prove anything of the sort. He's not being compared to 'another capable halfback'. He's being compared to the rest of the squad. That's [iour[/i squad by the way, so your assorted mumblings about top 4 sides are also irrelevant.
Quote: BraddersFC "Also try assists are a pretty arbitrary statistic considering it's only judged by the last player to touch the ball before the try scorer. Doesn't automatically show that Horne's in the top 3 players of the year, or that his performances lately are anything other than a peak of form.'"
Classic. The stats destroy your argument so now you have to attack them.
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| Quote: BraddersFC "Hint
Hint: I have. I've seen every single game, and more importantly every single try. The latter multiple times.
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| Quote: BraddersFC "1 - Try again, I can provide examples of why Horne's season so far has only been mediocre with a recent peak of form..'"
Just because this is getting boring now with you repeating the same crap over & over, I'll humour you, provide your examples.
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| Quote: Kosh "Nobody needs to prove anything of the sort. He's not being compared to 'another capable halfback'. He's being compared to the rest of the squad. That's [iour[/i squad by the way, so your assorted mumblings about top 4 sides are also irrelevant.
Classic. The stats destroy your argument so now you have to attack them.
Well we don't have another halfback who's fit in the squad, so you're saying you're comparing Horne's performances as a halfback to other players playing different positions? Seems a bit fishy. Are you judging Horne's performances on what he creates in a game (that's his job as a halfback as opposed to the other players you're comparing him too) or just his effort?
I don't see how a single statistic "destroys" my argument. Sorry. It goes towards your argument, but as I've already said, that single number is quite disputable and it's not certain whether it discredits mine.
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| Quote: Kosh "Nobody needs to prove anything of the sort. He's not being compared to 'another capable halfback'. '"
Even if he was, it's a dog argument. Can a halfback only be said to be playing well if they're regularly doing stuff that is beyond the abilities of other 'capable halfbacks'?
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| Quote: Rock God X "Even if he was, it's a dog argument. Can a halfback only be said to be playing well if they're regularly doing stuff that is beyond the abilities of other 'capable halfbacks'?'"
They're playing mediocre otherwise. Yes.
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| Quote: BraddersFC "I don't see how a single statistic "destroys" my argument. Sorry. It goes towards your argument, but as I've already said, that single number is quite disputable and it's not certain whether it discredits mine.'"
I'm as skeptical about statistics as anyone. However, you'd have to have an enormous sampling error in order to make any significant difference to Horne's showing relative to other halfbacks - all of whom are being assessed using the same methods. Moreover it backs up what you can see when watching games with an unbiased eye. It's also supported by who is scoring our tries - the majority being on the side of the pitch that Horne predominantly plays on.
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| I think RG had the right of it a couple of pages ago. I'm done. There's simply no helping some people.
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| Quote: Kosh "Hint
Me too. Brilliant.
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| Quote: Kosh "I think RG had the right of it a couple of pages ago. I'm done. There's simply no helping some people.
It was telling when The Prof handed him his ar*e on the last page and he just made some silly rhetorical comment instead of addressing the evidence presented. Either an idiot or a troll. Potentially both.
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| Quote: carl_spackler "People aren't addressing your argument because you don't seem to have one. Quite apart from how well you think Horne has been performing or not, your assertion that his abilities as a top four halfback have any bearing at all on how he has compared to his teammates is complete and utter nonsense.'"
I'll just refer you to this what I said earlier:
We don't have another halfback who's fit in the squad, so you're saying you're comparing Horne's performances as a halfback to other players playing different positions? Seems a bit fishy. Are you judging Horne's performances on what he creates in a game (that's his job as a halfback as opposed to the other players you're comparing him too) or just his effort?
I'm saying to compare Horne to other halfbacks in other teams is therefore important because it's putting things into context. When you do that, you realise that Horne shouldn't be in your top 3 because he doesn't do what a halfback should do consistently enough.
This what I'm saying isn't all that controversial, and some will agree with me when they realise Horne cannot keep up this form for the entirety of the year. People are just being overly optimistic at the moment, even me, I can't wait until Holdsworth and Ellis are back. It's just some people don't like people who put a downer on things, I guess.
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| Quote: K-Diddy "Just because this is getting boring now with you repeating the same crap over & over, I'll humour you, provide your examples.'"
I actually would if I had the full games at my disposal and the time (It would take ages)
Just one example though would be Horne's performance against Rovers. It wasn't anything to boast about at all. He was the best of a really, really, really bad bunch in terms of attack. He did make a couple errors which then led to Rover's tries however, and people completely ignore this.
You'll just have to settle that I have too seen all of the games, every try multiple times etc.
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| Quote: Rock God X "It was telling when The Prof handed him his ar*e on the last page and he just made some silly rhetorical comment instead of addressing the evidence presented. Either an idiot or a troll. Potentially both.'"
I've edited the post that I replied to that. You might want to address what I've said again.
He didn't really 'hand me on my ar*e', but it was better than anything you've said thus far.
I'd put you in the bottom 3 compared to others so far in terms of arguing.
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| Righto mods. Its time to lock this thread. We've given this idiot more than enough time and space to expound his ludicrous theories. The man is obviously in need of care and we haven't the time or inclination to offer it to him.
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