Dunno. I wouldn't have 'realistically' expected us to sign Ellis, but we did. And I'm not saying we should get rid of Seymour for the sake of it - that would be foolish. I merely expressed the view that, if the rumours about him wanting away (or was it that Gentle wanted rid?) are true, it wouldn't [inecessarily[/i be a bad thing.

I think we should give him time to find his feet before we judge, needs at least a season IMO.

What's actually wrong with horne? Thought he'd just taken a bang on the hip in the derby

As I said before, neither Dykes nor Head were what you'd call settled, but you could see their ability quite clearly. And that was under a lesser coach than Gentle. I don't want to give the impression that I'm knocking Seymour - I'm not - but so many on here are quick to point out that we won't win anything with Horne at 6, and I really don't think Seymour is any better. Both are 'good', neither are top class.

His long range kicking game?

Whilst I agree that top class players usually shine through a bit more than Seymour has, I wouldn't go so far as to say that Seymour isn't better than Horne. Yes, both are more 'good' than top class, but Seymour is closer than Horne (whilst it's still not as good as I'd hoped, his long kicking game is better, his hands are much better, and he looks more dangerous taking a set defensive line on). With the right partner we could see a big difference.

Perhaps you're right. I don't subscribe to the view that some people have advanced, that we should keep him for the sake of stability, or whatever, though. If he wanted to go and we could replace him with someone better, we absolutely should do that. So what if it means changing both halfbacks in the same off-season?

Depends on the system you use, really. In some ways if you're going to change one halfback it's not that much more disruptive to change both, as you're still going to have 2 new pivots adapting to each other. If we're going to stick with our rigid one half to each side of the field (which personally I'd rather we didn't), however, it is more disruptive, as you've then got the entire team having to learn how to play with them, rather than it being predominantly just one side.

I would agree that if we could replace him with someone better we should, that's always the case with any player, but the thing is that I really think we'd struggle to do so. We should remember that to replace him with someone better it's not now a case of finding [ione[/i halfback better than him, we'd need to find [itwo[/i. That's almost impossible in one close season with other clubs on the lookout as well.

Pah, mere facts!

So I got you there, then?

on Seymour, I think he hasn't had much luck with injuries, he seems to just get a bit more settled then miss a game or 'carry a knock' and sink a bit, still overall he's been getting better with more game time, by next season he'll be well settled imo and back to good form.

the fact he came back from injury at warriors last year to find he'd been forced out by Shaun Johnson, which isn't anything to be ashamed of the kid's the new Benji, means he probably dropped a bit of form when playing for the vulcans.

All this means he's going to take his time finding good form

I quite agree. It will take a lot of negotiating to get one decent half nevermind two. Of course we should always replace players with better quality if we can. I personally feel Seymour had done well so far and will improve, especially with the right partner.

Looks like no partner at all might be an option, too.

defo worth a try for me ,could be our fb for a few years if he keeps fit