He performed once every blue moon and let his chin scrape the floor whenever he made a mistake. Bags of talent fut 4 years on still not moved forward.

Although that will be all Sharp/Agar's fault.

Where did i say i'd want to lose Tansey from the side?

Not you Dave, the general opinion. He is easily and I mean EASILY our best attacking player and people don't rate him???

How anybody can compare Tansey to Webb and Greenshields is beyond me. Those 2 are seasoned pros. Tansey is 23, just had his first FULL SL season and is playing a position he has only played for 18 months or so. Any flaws he may have are technical and can easily be cut out.

He's easily the best attacking player we've had for a while!

its quite interesting, and a sign of the times that another great maverick talent mick crane often went awol and showed one or two bits of ill discipline in his time. crane was hailed as a genius back then, in today's world of internet foums he would be seen as a disruptive influence like tansey and most probably would have been sacked by the club

I guess it all depends on the indiscipline guess. I personally think we should give him one more year to prove his worth and ability to behave. Agree with the comments about the error rate but as many have also said he opens defenses.

Well said. I posted a similar thing about the 'exploits' of Sean Long; could you imagine sacking him in his prime?

Hopefully his (Tansey) last warning will give him a kick up the Arris that he deserves.

I'd still use him at 9 if we can sign a full back and use Houghton off the bench. That way if we dont sign a half back and Long and/or Horne are injured we can simply use Tansey in the halves and if need be shift Berro back to 9 for a very limited time period.

No comparison. Crane was genuinely a great talent , one of the best I've ever seen. His "indiscipline" was essentially having a bet and a cig and not training as hard as he might BUT that was then when performance on the pitch was key. Mick never let us down on the field and for a fantastically creative player and a maverick he was also tremendously hard working. I suppose you could argue that he would have been even better if he'd had a different lifestyle but it could have worked the opposite way too. Tansy's issues off the field , we understand from the coach, are detrimental to his game and show up in the errors and lack of application. I agree in principle that we don't want to train the character out of players but they've got to be doing it on the pitch before you start to cut them any slack elsewhere.

And yet you think that Yeaman and Turner are stars.

Go figure.

Just a couple of points.

1. Whilst a good player he certainly isn't good enough to be gettng additional leway/benefit of the doubt with regards disciplinary issues. Not saying that is the case by the way just that if this is his last chance they have to stick by it.
2. Would you be devastated to see him leave or indeed line up against us? For me the answer is not particularly. If we had any real creativity from other areas within the team his importance wouldn't be as seemingly vital.
3. This season was going to be a make or break one for him regardless off any indiscipline IMO. He needs to cut out the errors in his game, particularly the traditional FB errors, and kick on.

Tansey 'could' become a very good player for us but he isn't yet IMO.

I've not mentioned his bad discipline which is obviously disruptive to any team and part of a culture at Hull we are desperate to stamp out. If he was an absolute undeniable attacking genius, the right thing would still be to get rid asap. If he was this superb attacking maverick some say he is, we will have no problems recouping what we've thrown at him already. We all know that no other SL club rates him highly enough to spend that kind of money on him. His attacking style is different to any of our other players, but there's been few examples of it being vastly superior, or effective. Also, if he was anywhere near being a better fullback than BJB, he would be in the England squad.

did crane ever miss training though? if so there is definately a comparison. main point i was making is what you said though, some players have a character that aids their play on the field - we don't want to see that eroded. this is where you find out if the coach has the man management skills to make the player toe the line whilst bringing out his best on the field

you cannot compare Mick Crane's era to modern day SL, not in terms of salary, fitness etc.