His kicking was a massive reason we won the semi. He was underrated at Hull. Fans never gave him time and I fear the same with Ellis.

His kicking contributed a lot but wasn't the main factor IMO. And I disagree about him being underrated - the opposite was true if anything.

He would have been given plenty of time if he'd got his head together and not stormed out of the club in a sulk because he was asked to behave by the new coach.

I think you did as well. No-one has said he was the main factor, but he was a big factor. He contributed a lot through his kicking game (something we didn't have much of previously and don't now). He was a solid tackler unlike other halfbacks and has pace.

I don't disagree about him having a paddy. But he most certainly wasn't overrated. If anything the opposite. Getting dropped for the playoff game after having a stormer against Johns' Warrington suggests that. Just because he was a bad boy doesn't mean he was now crap.

brough was a young bit part player in 2005. Everything went through cooke and horne and brough's biggest contribution was his kicking

Our kicking game was actually pretty good when Cooke was in the side. Brough hardly played in the halves and didn't show the pace he has now, largely because he was unfit. In 2005 just about everything went through Cooke and Horne - check the stats if you don't believe me. While he was with us his major assets were his tackling and his kicking.

And I've never said he was crap, so not sure what point you were trying to make there.

Brough looks quicker than Ellis to me in a "nippier" sense . Ellis is quite big and needs a good pre season which hopefully he will get under the new regime. Will help his mobility which would be my only concern with him.I hope/am sure he will get his chance to show us what he can do next season but don't see him as first choice half in February.

I like Ellis's pass and kicking game tbh....Horney could be classed as more mobile but his step is so predictable, he only seems to do the inside ball and all he offers in the kicking department is the short kick! If Ellis has a good pre-season and can make the step up I actually think he will offer more than Horney, so if we do not sign a quality 6 I would like to see Ellis more or less from Feb.

McRae rated Horne very highly when he was here last. I wonder what he thinks of him now.

When does Horne have his operation? He's been playing through an injury all year hasn't he?

The best full back never to play full back McRae use to describe Horne.

Not true. He didn't play all his games there, but it was about half. He had 2 spells hooking IIRC, when Swain broke his arm, and then again when he was 'injured' prior to Kear going.

He has been playing through various health problems for several years now.....

McRae did rate Horney highly and tbh most of us did at that time of his career.

Brough was named at 7 plenty of times at Hull on the official teamsheet but hardly played as one. Most things went through Cooke or Horne (mainly Cooke) and Brough was given a spot for his excellent kicking game and solid defence.

Ironically he wasnt as quick as he is now but that must have come down to general fitness and fair play to Brough for sorting himself out after leaving Hull and dropping down a division.