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| I am sure like us Radford was banging his head thinking why are they playing like this it not what we talked about but finally he got the message across and they threw it about.
Why didn't he get the message across earlier I hear you post, well maybe it's got something to do with players being under pressure on the field and just not doing what they planned.
You see it all the time, it's called being human.
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| Quote Hessle Roader="Hessle Roader"Then you're unfortunately in the wrong place. At times I think this forum exists just so certain people can put forward their strange ideas as FACT.'"
What conspiracy theories have been aired on this thread, as FACTS?
People are questioning the possible reasons for the clear difference in the quality of play in the last quarter, who instigated it and what the answer to the latter question infers. Entirely reasonably, given the fact that what we saw on the pitch yesterday is a reflection of the whole season in reverse. Our season has been the epitome of the sublime to the ridiculous. Yesterday's match was the ridiculous to the sublime.
Many fans will want to examine the reasons underlying that, and it's reasonable to use the platform of a rugby league discussion forum to do so without being labelled a 'conspiracy theorist'.
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| Explains why watts had his best 20 mins of the season and why hes been pretty average this season so far.
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| Quote WormInHand="WormInHand"www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/hull-fc/video-lee-radford-revels-in-coming-of-age-victory-as-hull-fc-shatter-city-rivals-hull-kr-1-7818594
Interesting from Radford.'"
Indeed.
So much for the team being instructed to play conservatively.
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| Quote Tinkerman23="Tinkerman23"Explains why watts had his best 20 mins of the season and why hes been pretty average this season so far.'"
Does it?
All it tells us is that Watts sometimes tries to offload when he shouldn't (which we've all seen) and the coaches tell him not too. This time he was [itoo[/i conservative and the coaches told him to open up a bit. It says nothing at all about his general form this season.
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"Does it?
All it tells us is that Watts sometimes tries to offload when he shouldn't (which we've all seen) and the coaches tell him not too. This time he was [itoo[/i conservative and the coaches told him to open up a bit. It says nothing at all about his general form this season.'"
Cause it does, watts as been to told to reign it in, he's basically not off loaded all season, we've all seen that. He hasn't been no way as good as last season , when presumably wasn't told to reign it in. Why even tell him reign it in the first place if hasn't told the team to be more conservative. Anyway, we've differant conspiracy theories on the reasons, just hope we can take that last 20 into Monday and the players don't ignore the coach and take it upon themselves to play conservative
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| Quote Tinkerman23="Tinkerman23"Cause it does, watts as been to told to reign it in, he's basically not off loaded all season, we've all seen that. He hasn't been no way as good as last season , when presumably wasn't told to reign it in. Why even tell him reign it in the first place if hasn't told the team to be more conservative. Anyway, we've differant conspiracy theories on the reasons, just hope we can take that last 20 into Monday and the players don't ignore the coach and take it upon themselves to play conservative'"
Watts has offloaded plenty this season. One such memorably lost us the game against Wigan if you recall. The exact phrase used - jokingly - was 'we usually have to tell him to reign it in'. Not 'we tell him not to offload at all' or 'we've told him never to offload'.
You also need to consider that you can only offload if someone is there to receive it, and our support play has been notably lacking for the past few games.
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| Why cant we just enjoy one of the biggest comebacks in derby history
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"Watts has offloaded plenty this season. One such memorably lost us the game against Wigan if you recall. The exact phrase used - jokingly - was 'we usually have to tell him to reign it in'. Not 'we tell him not to offload at all' or 'we've told him never to offload'.
You also need to consider that you can only offload if someone is there to receive it, and our support play has been notably lacking for the past few games.'"
I wouldnt say plenty, and id say its more in panic then a expansive structured game plan.
I just find it hard to believe that we train all week to play a non conservative game. Then the players go on the pitch, ignore the coaches instructions, ignore everything theyve trained all week for. Then in the last 20 mins of a game we are 20 nil down in, decide to play how the coach wants us to, or that suddenly confidence had returned.really enjoyed yesterday, just want more of that last 20 mins win or lose
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| Quote hull2524="hull2524"Why cant we just enjoy one of the biggest comebacks in derby history'"
Title of the thread is why? Everybody enjoyed winning yesterday, I loved it. But the thread is about why for 60 mins we was god dam awful, and why it so dramatically changed. If you dont like it or are going to be super sensitive, dont read it. Kosh can be annoying, but at least he as a decent opinion. You just annoy, sit on the fence and be a first class john boudebza
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| Quote Tinkerman23="Tinkerman23"I wouldnt say plenty, and id say its more in panic then a expansive structured game plan.
I just find it hard to believe that we train all week to play a non conservative game. Then the players go on the pitch, ignore the coaches instructions, ignore everything theyve trained all week for. Then in the last 20 mins of a game we are 20 nil down in, decide to play how the coach wants us to, or that suddenly confidence had returned.really enjoyed yesterday, just want more of that last 20 mins win or lose'"
I think the answer to that is pretty much as stated by Radford in that YP piece. When you've just had your defence ripped to shreds your confidence goes and you play far more conservatively because you're afraid of losing possession and having to defend. The coaching staff had apparently been trying to get the players to relax a bit as the defence had improved but it's one thing to be told that and another to believe it. When we hit the last 20 minutes yesterday there was literally nothing to lose and the message finally took hold.
Radford even mentions that once you are confident in your defence you naturally take more risks in attack as if the ball goes to ground then "it's no biggy - we'll just defend that".
Sports psychology is a strange thing and the best coaches are those that handle the mental side of things at least as well as the tactics/training/skills. This, IMO, is where we have failed big time over the last 10 years or so and where we continue to struggle.
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