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| Quote: Tinkerman23 "You've obviously been fortunate enough not to off sampled this countries justice system. People plead guilty everyday to offences, not because their guilty. But to safe a lot of hassle and money, complete joke, innocent until proven guilty no longer applies. Ellis maybe guilty, but the EGP is just the easy option, regardless if hull or ellis think innocent or not'"
Only one problem with that argument though. On the flip side clubs argue their case all the time, including in the past Hull and Gareth Ellis. |
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| Quote: Bal "You've got to be the most condescending person I've ever come across on a forum ![]()
He was charged with reckless (which I don't think it was), can a charge be changed to careless?
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| Quote: Faithful One "He was charged with reckless (which I don't think it was), can a charge be changed to careless?'"
Yeah, I noticed that as well. But it's Grade B, whereas "Reckless" is grade C. So I think they have just listed it incorrectly on the website. |
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| Quote: Bal "Yeah, I noticed that as well. But it's Grade B, whereas "Reckless" is grade C. So I think they have just listed it incorrectly on the website.'"
Ah OK, didn't realise that. It's a shame to have lost him, but it could have been worse. |
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| Quote: Bal "Yeah, I noticed that as well. But it's Grade B, whereas "Reckless" is grade C. So I think they have just listed it incorrectly on the website.'" No, Ellis was charged under 15.1(a) which only has references to reckless.
When tackling or attempting to tackle makes contact with the head or neck of an opponent
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Bizarre. Either way, its a listing mess up by the looks of things, as 15.1a is not for strikes to the head, and Ellis certainly isn't guilty of punching, tripping or head butting.
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| Quote: Kosh "Is this your first experience of the disciplinary process?
Nobody contests a 1-2 match ban if they have an EGP available, no matter how innocent or guilty they may be. The panel are incompetent and biased in equal measure and even if you have overwhelming evidence to prove your innocence they'll most likely have made up their mind before you even present it.
It's a bollox decision, but just another in a long line of bollox decisions made by a panel that hasn't been fit for purpose in decades. If you don't play for one of the favoured clubs you'll always get the $hite end of the stick. If I still got wound up by these jokers I'd have died of apoplexy years ago.'"
I believe Nick Scruton contested a charge recently when EPG was available and was found not guilty. |
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| Quote: Bal "You've got to be the most condescending person I've ever come across on a forum ![]()
I genuinely wasn't intending to be. It's easy to miss nuances in typed text and I was actually surprised that you didn't seem to be aware of the common usage of an EGP.
Cases get argued by players from the handful of clubs who stand a chance of getting a positive result, or by players who don't have access to an EGP. Nobody else believes for an instant that they'll get justice from the panel so it's all about strategy and damage limitation. Better to miss the Catalan game than risk missing two.
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| Quote: Tinkerman23 "You've obviously been fortunate enough not to off sampled this countries justice system. People plead guilty everyday to offences, not because their guilty. But to safe a lot of hassle and money, complete joke, innocent until proven guilty no longer applies. Ellis maybe guilty, but the EGP is just the easy option, regardless if hull or ellis think innocent or not'"
Well I have sampled it, and conversely many guilty people go free every day.
Ellis quite rightly took the EGP because, as Kosh says, the RFL disciplinary are not fit for purpose, and he would most lkely have ended up with two games instead of one. |
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| Quote: Large Paws "Well I have sampled it, and conversely many guilty people go free every day.
Ellis quite rightly took the EGP because, as Kosh says, the RFL disciplinary are not fit for purpose, and he would most lkely have ended up with two games instead of one.'"
Like wise, the courts ain't fit for purpose. I was actually agreeing with kosh by the way |
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Thompson can replace him this week, glad he is going to be back for Wigan away much tougher game, the physical side anyway & Ellis will be fresh for the tough encounter.
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| Quote: Tinkerman23 "Like wise, the courts ain't fit for purpose. I was actually agreeing with kosh by the way'"
I did realise that, I just failed to punctuate my reply properly.
I thought I'd highlighted the first part of your post, and the first part of mine was my comment on it.
The second part of my post was my opinion on the Ellis EGP.
Apologies for the misunderstanding. |
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Really can't understand all the debate on this one . Ellis was guilty of recklessly striking Simone in the head. Note , not deliberately but recklessly
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| Quote: easthull fc fan "Thompson can replace him this week, glad he is going to be back for Wigan away much tougher game, the physical side anyway & Ellis will be fresh for the tough encounter.'"
did you forget the cup game at Saints before Wigan? |
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| Quote: bonaire "did you forget the cup game at Saints before Wigan?'"
Yeah I did pal, hope we have a good cup run its the monkey I would love us to get off our back! |
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