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| I was very dissapointed in Shannon McDonnell. He seems very good in attack, and a good support player, but every single high ball he backs off and waits for it to land. We will concede loads from kicks this season.
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| Quote: Raggytash "I was very dissapointed in Shannon McDonnell. He seems very good in attack, and a good support player, but every single high ball he backs off and waits for it to land. We will concede loads from kicks this season.'"
Don't agree with that at all. Dobson put up a huge bomb yesterday and managed to get it spirralling too, which are always very hard to catch. Caught it no problem under alot of pressure too. The only time I've seen him let a ball bounce is when he and Briscoe didn't comunicate with each other so neither knew who was going for it in the Castleford game.
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| Think Briscoe goes for the tackle rather than the catch, it's a shame we don't have video ref enough because Briscoe is very good at turning attackers over when they dive and I'm sure there have been tries that wouldn't have stood if put up to the video ref thanks to Briscoe turning the player over and getting his legs underneath
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| Quote: fcandy "Having watched us over the past few seasons and again yesterday, one major weakness we have yet to solve is height on the wing and centre positions. Briscoe and Yeamen are always poor under the high ball and for an international standard pairing, that is quite a surprise. Arundel and Crookes looked even worse yesterday, so I think teams are going to bomb either side and know they are going to get some results. I really think this will hold us back achieving anything great this year. What surprises me is the hesitation we show when jumping for the ball. I honestly believe Briscoe can’t be considered world class as this is a very poor aspect of his game which is a fundamental part of being a winger. Tom Lineham would address this problem on one side and looked the best winger by far yesterday. I think we should let Briscoe go and use the astronomical offer put to him for a number 7! Lineham can be even better than him in my opinion.'"
Tom Briscoe is 6' tall. Players defending a high ball on their own line are at a disadvantage. The attacking player usually is running forward when they jump which means 1. they jump into the defender and 2 they have a running start - the defender jumps from a standing start. Something to do with physics I believe - or is that the forward pass?
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| Last tackle plays at both ends were a major downfall for us last season. Granted the execution was often poor (Seymour) but our ideas and lack of organisation were so frustrating to watch. As the OP says, we've not been too hot defending kicks in recent years either.
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| Quote: downtheante "Tom Briscoe is 6' tall. Players defending a high ball on their own line are at a disadvantage. The attacking player usually is running forward when they jump which means 1. they jump into the defender and 2 they have a running start - the defender jumps from a standing start. Something to do with physics I believe - or is that the forward pass?'"
Thats the crux of it
In fact whose outside backs are far superior to ours in defending kicks?
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| most defending outside backs struggle under the high ball to the wing scenario, thats why so many teams use it
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| Pat Richards doesn't struggle under the high ball, probably 'cos he's 6'5". His new centre, replacing Carmont, is likely to be Iain Thornley who's also 6'5", if not him then Anthony Gelling.
No guesses for Gelling's height either.
Shaun Wane has five players in his squad who are 6'5". He has named seven props of whom 5 are over 6'3".
It does appear that's the way the game is going.
Hudds have a massive pack height wise and quite a few clubs are recruiting that way.
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| Hull may appear over exposed to kicks to the wing because recently, they haven't been repaying the favour back up the other end due to the lack of a quality short kicking game.
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| When a kick goes up a good back know when to time his jump plus got to be brave and keep your eyes on the ball , Not the on rushing attackers.The biggest mistake players make are letting the ball bounce,and not catching it on the full.Player should remember to attack the ball from a kick
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| Sometimes you've just got to give credit where it's due,2 cracking kicks.
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| Although height is an advantage, it's also about positioning and actually getting off the deck. A good winger, in the correct place, and with the desire to catch the ball, will take it more often than not. As with everything, timing is crucial.
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| Best if we attack all the time then.....
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| the wing can be a hard place to play, trust me ive played there but when your a regular youve got to do better i sometimes think if briscoe starts good he finishes good but if hes poor he just seems to get worse its a position that needs confidence especially into days game just my opinion.
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| Quote: The Judge "Best if we attack all the time then.....'" The saying is " The best form of defense is attack"
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