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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "Which basically outs Lee Radford, Motu Tony and AP as liars and leading fans on.
Now...where are all the forum members slagging me off for stating the intention was to get rid of Westerman all along as that was required to keep us under the cap and that currently we are at or marginally under hence we can't sign Smith.'"


Hey Bumby !!! Easy Tiger , just cool out a bit.
Your gonna have health probs if every time you think something isnt perfect news your so eager to pin the blame on someone who's name begins with A or L.

Things are looking pretty good at the minute arn't they ? with more than a few pieces falling into the slots ?. so why not change tack for just a while ? just try and go with it for 6 7 matches and support the lads without feeling the need to put your finger on the trigger every time something doesnt go to the plan. Because sometimes its like that in life. Give it a go and it may keep you out of Emergency ward 10 , no one wants that. Watch this team of ours and enjoy pal.

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Totally agree with Uppo58! Just relax and get behind the team! In Radders we believe .................

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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "Which basically outs Lee Radford, Motu Tony and AP as liars and leading fans on.
Now...where are all the forum members slagging me off for stating the intention was to get rid of Westerman all along as that was required to keep us under the cap and that currently we are at or marginally under hence we can't sign Smith.'"


How is this moron still allowed to post? He derails every single thread! You'd lose less brain cells sniffing glue than reading through this drivel!

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Quote: Raggytash "How is this moron still allowed to post? He derails every single thread! You'd lose less brain cells sniffing glue than reading through this drivel!'"


Inactive moderators most probably. Only two of the five I notice on here, and they can't be expected to oversee everything between just two of them.

Totally agree though - he's a troll, an obnoxious man with a personal vendetta against Radford - trying to get the man sacked from his job & making potentially libellous claims of him being a bully as examples, who relishes in all things negative at the club.

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Unfortunately, being a miserable old git isn't against the AUP, if it was then there'd be barely anyone posting.
As we have said many, many times re trolls...if you ignore them then they'll soon get bored.

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Quote: Karen "Unfortunately, being a miserable old git isn't against the AUP, if it was then there'd be barely anyone posting.
As we have said many, many times re trolls...if you ignore them then they'll soon get bored.'"

So posting fact and opinion is not allowed now?
however using abusive language toward another poster IS grounds for a mod to step in...it's also seemingly acceptable to continually abuse forum members and inflame threads by use of certain derogatory comment from certain posters because they are 'well known', but are basically throwing their dummies out because they disagree with facts and viewpoints.

All I want is the club to tell the truth, time and again the three protagonist's mentioned lied about the happenstance of Westerman leaving, deliberately misled fans regarding how much cap we had to spend when he went which left us with no cap space to sign anyone which proves that we were touting to offload Westerman all along, otherwise how could we have got the signings under the cap that we had already confirmed BEFORE his 'official' sale went through.
If you can't fathom or accept that the club lied and lied again then that's your failing not mine and me bringing it up is not trolling in the least, it's highlighting an aspect of the club that is micturate poor and deceitful.

I'm looking forward to this season but I'm fed up of all the bull that the club come out with that is all smoke and mirrors and they quickly seem to forget the lies they spout only a few weeks/months previously.

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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "So posting fact and opinion is not allowed now?
however using abusive language toward another poster IS grounds for a mod to step in...it's also seemingly acceptable to continually abuse forum members and inflame threads by use of certain derogatory comment from certain posters because they are 'well known', but are basically throwing their dummies out because they disagree with facts and viewpoints.

All I want is the club to tell the truth, time and again the three protagonist's mentioned lied about the happenstance of Westerman leaving, deliberately misled fans regarding how much cap we had to spend when he went which left us with no cap space to sign anyone which proves that we were touting to offload Westerman all along, otherwise how could we have got the signings under the cap that we had already confirmed BEFORE his 'official' sale went through.
If you can't fathom or accept that the club lied and lied again then that's your failing not mine and me bringing it up is not trolling in the least, it's highlighting an aspect of the club that is micturate poor and deceitful.

I'm looking forward to this season but I'm fed up of all the bull that the club come out with that is all smoke and mirrors and they quickly seem to forget the lies they spout only a few weeks/months previously.'"


You use the work 'fact' an awful lot, however, you seem unable to distinguish between fact and your own viewpoint.

Having your own viewpoint is fine, but passing that viewpoint off as fact, or something that is entirely subjective as a fact is what gets peoples backs up, and you do it time and time again. Remember the thread a couple of weeks ago where you accused Radford of being a bully and rattled off all your 'facts'? Then you went into hiding for a few days.

Just be humble & don't state something as fact that isn't. This is a key trait of people who are close minded, not in possession of the full facts, unable to accept anyone else's opinion & that there may be other variables at play.

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Quote: Doom&Gloom Merchant "You use the work 'fact' an awful lot, however, you seem unable to distinguish between fact and your own viewpoint.

Having your own viewpoint is fine, but passing that viewpoint off as fact, or something that is entirely subjective as a fact is what gets peoples backs up, and you do it time and time again. Remember the thread a couple of weeks ago where you accused Radford of being a bully and rattled off all your 'facts'? Then you went into hiding for a few days.

Just be humble & don't state something as fact that isn't. This is a key trait of people who are close minded, not in possession of the full facts, unable to accept anyone else's opinion & that there may be other variables at play.'"


To be fair on Knocker, he's not wrong, just the way things have turned out with the signings, and westerman not been all that for us. Don't think anybody is that bothered

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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "So posting fact and opinion is not allowed now?
however using abusive language toward another poster IS grounds for a mod to step in...it's also seemingly acceptable to continually abuse forum members and inflame threads by use of certain derogatory comment from certain posters because they are 'well known', but are basically throwing their dummies out because they disagree with facts and viewpoints.

All I want is the club to tell the truth, time and again the three protagonist's mentioned lied about the happenstance of Westerman leaving, deliberately misled fans regarding how much cap we had to spend when he went which left us with no cap space to sign anyone which proves that we were touting to offload Westerman all along, otherwise how could we have got the signings under the cap that we had already confirmed BEFORE his 'official' sale went through.
If you can't fathom or accept that the club lied and lied again then that's your failing not mine and me bringing it up is not trolling in the least, it's highlighting an aspect of the club that is micturate poor and deceitful.

I'm looking forward to this season but I'm fed up of all the bull that the club come out with that is all smoke and mirrors and they quickly seem to forget the lies they spout only a few weeks/months previously.'"


Facts and opinions are perfectly fine, but libel isn't (AUP 1.2), so stating repeatedly as "fact" that the club and individuals in the club are liars is definitely not on. If you look at the AUP thread at the top of the forum, in bold in the first post, it says
"Posting anything potentially libellous is against the AUP and the admins and moderators will strictly enforce this rule because the future of this site depends on it. We will not let a few idiots spoil it for everyone else.

This is a final warning, anyone who deliberately posts anything unsubstantiated and defamatory against a club or player poses a liability to this site so risks being banned without warning."

There will be no more warnings - and that's for everyone.

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So... Lee Smith. Anyone have any (genuine) idea what's going on? Would be a shame to miss out on him, but it wouldn't be the end of the world.

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Quote: Chris28 "Facts and opinions are perfectly fine, but libel isn't (AUP 1.2), so stating repeatedly as "fact" that the club and individuals in the club are liars is definitely not on. If you look at the AUP thread at the top of the forum, in bold in the first post, it says
"Posting anything potentially libellous is against the AUP and the admins and moderators will strictly enforce this rule because the future of this site depends on it. We will not let a few idiots spoil it for everyone else.

This is a final warning, anyone who deliberately posts anything unsubstantiated and defamatory against a club or player poses a liability to this site so risks being banned without warning."

There will be no more warnings - and that's for everyone.'"

Except the facts have being substantiated, I outlined what was said by all three in previous threads and was rubbished despite what is patently obvious given what we know from the fact we are not able to get Smith signed due to salary cap limit.
If you and others want to ignore what has actually happened (i.e. facts) and that the club have deliberately midled fans thats your problem but it certainly is not libel.

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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "So posting fact and opinion is not allowed now?
however using abusive language toward another poster IS grounds for a mod to step in...it's also seemingly acceptable to continually abuse forum members and inflame threads by use of certain derogatory comment from certain posters because they are 'well known', but are basically throwing their dummies out because they disagree with facts and viewpoints.

All I want is the club to tell the truth, time and again the three protagonist's mentioned lied about the happenstance of Westerman leaving, deliberately misled fans regarding how much cap we had to spend when he went which left us with no cap space to sign anyone which proves that we were touting to offload Westerman all along, otherwise how could we have got the signings under the cap that we had already confirmed BEFORE his 'official' sale went through.
If you can't fathom or accept that the club lied and lied again then that's your failing not mine and me bringing it up is not trolling in the least, it's highlighting an aspect of the club that is micturate poor and deceitful.

I'm looking forward to this season but I'm fed up of all the bull that the club come out with that is all smoke and mirrors and they quickly seem to forget the lies they spout only a few weeks/months previously.'"


I've tried to be sympathetic with your arguments and can understand to a degree what your trying to say but "The Cap" is live. When the signings for this season were announced, Westy was still an Hull FC player and as such his wages would have counted on the cap as would all the signings announced???? When Westerman,s sale to Wire was finally declared, there must have been some cap space left??? You do not know for sure the workings of the Club, you are not privy to meetings, you are not Mystic Bumpy. You cannot justify everything you diatribe by saying "FACT". You cannot call anyone a liar unless these "LIES" are spoken to your face in front of witnesses. Please stop quoting facts and defaming my club. By all means support my club from afar but do not comment on my club unless you know your facts.

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Quote: Armavinit "I've tried to be sympathetic with your arguments and can understand to a degree what your trying to say but "The Cap" is live. When the signings for this season were announced, Westy was still an Hull FC player and as such his wages would have counted on the cap as would all the signings announced???? When Westerman,s sale to Wire was finally declared, there must have been some cap space left??? You do not know for sure the workings of the Club, you are not privy to meetings, you are not Mystic Bumpy. You cannot justify everything you diatribe by saying "FACT". You cannot call anyone a liar unless these "LIES" are spoken to your face in front of witnesses. Please stop quoting facts and defaming my club. By all means support my club from afar but do not comment on my club unless you know your facts.'"

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