OK then.

Does not exist

People get very confused and take any critism of the club as an attack on it, its not that at all. The club have been very good off field and with the finances superb, I support that and always have . The club has fallen down is in the coaching department, since JK left we have struggled. The present board have long had problems with our coaching staff, Bomber lost a very good player to another club simply because they knew what we had offered him. His relationship was at best rocky once Richo left to return to Oz and it continued and got worse after he left. JK was never paid the proper rate, only as an assisitant thats mainly why he left as he refused to perform a lot of off field activities .

This is a grade A club and that demands a Grade A coach not a reserve grade coach given the title, A coach who is allowed to manage and select the team.

perhaps we may see another one of our coaching staff depart this week

The team has needed rebuilding and it's a painful process at times none more so than losing a game like the other night. Our style must improve to be successful. IMO we still don't have the players in play making positions to be at the very top and possibly not the coach. The improvement process must continue and it's getting harder with fewer quality players available. We haven't got it right yet but we are getting there. We were hopeless at home for 2 years but this year we were within a hair's breadth of the best home record in the league. At times we're still dire but better than we were. If progress on the field next year stagnates or goes backwards then the coach should be replaced IMO. If support falls away the resources will disappear and the club will fall backwards and become less attractive to outside players and coaches - even less attractive than it seems to be already. Support is critical to success and that is my whole point here.

I don't dispute any of your points however (as your quoting me directly) please show me where I said the directors where in this for 'massive' personal gain? Also please make me aware of any points in the quoted post which are incorrect? Anyone beleiving this board have invested money in Hull FC to lose money overall are also utter loons!! They may have been willing to make short term losses but you know as well as I do they are here to make long term profits.

Was combining your and Ian P's "golden goose" points - you said the directors motivation was to make money, my argument would be that few business people would invest in sporting clubs if they were serious about a financial return being their primary motivation. They've been in the business for 10 years or so the fact that they're still miles and miles off being able to take a dividend means it's a very very long payback period. As stated, they'll make a few quid when they sell, but off the back of work they've done to make us one of the only self-sustaining businesses in the competition, so deservedly so.

And therein lies the answer "profits" Profits from a successful club - ON and OFF the field.
What people fail to grasp is this club have learnt from previous mistakes that led to it almost becoming extinct.
They have set or are setting the foundations so this doesn’t happen again.
When it comes together all those who are ‘undecided’ as to whether they’ll ever attend another game will be back telling us all they’ve supported the club throughout.

Good points well made (again).

No pass for me,no shirt,no funbus,im finished with them.




































































yeh right

Ive had the same seat since the stadium opened and nothing will change,ill get my pass as always in dec and my shirt for crimbo,the funbus will be back out for friendlies after xmas, Hull Fc are my team and ill follow them through thick and thin.

I don't dispute that and hope your right but no one from the club has come out and said we know we'll be crap for the next 3 years but bear with us it'll come good in the end. I for one am not happy at having to pay my money up front to watch this crap any more!! I'm not stopping supporting the club but I'm going to pick and choose based on performance, if they play well they'll get more of my money. It makes me no less a fan than anyone else, it's what choice is all about.

Spot on. We can have as many grade A licences and profits as we like, but success in this game is measured on the field. We are simply not good enough there and being great off the field therefore becomes almost pointless.

I never made a golden goose claim? I simply said they can't take their money out of the club that easily. The directors charged us a reasonable interest on the money they loaned us so they have made some money from that and ATEOD no one knows what their ROI will be when they sell the club but IMO they are not here to lose money.

Owning a sporting club provides presteige to those who can afford it and let's be honest Rugby league is harldy a millionaires play ground is it so the risk isn't as great as football. A sleeping giant of the game if handled correctly with one of the biggest and most loyal fan bases in the game is a failry good long term bet.

My point on the financials where simply that if the club sense they will start to lose more money than changing something will cost because fan's have had enough, they will more likely change smething than not, or would you disagree?