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Quote: Panda92 "I'm not sure if he's a terrible troll or a very blinkered fan tbh'"



Just because I have a different opinion doesnt mean im a troll.

I see a big club with a big fan base and a club what makes a profit and they cannot get it right.

We have gone from challenge cup winners and grand final runners to a dull boring predictable style of rugby and no success.

Look at Bradford they was a top club then Brian Noble left and they have a average coach in stevie mac and now look at them in the gutter. Now they are hoping Potter can bring some magic back to Bradford and get them going the right way.

Funny thing is stevie mac is now the england coach icon_eek.gif

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Quote: carl_spackler "The problem is, only one of them is capable of playing in the halves (and then only at 6 IMO), and we aren't well drilled enough throughout the team to help them out. We should be far more organised than we are without Long IMO. Whilst other teams suffer a dip in creativity/spark, everyone still knows what they should be doing. We end up like a youth team, where everyone just looks for somebody else to take charge.'"



what that man said

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Quote: Tongan Mafia ". Agar still respects cooke and think he could do us a Job.
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Tells you everything you need to know

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Quote: carl_spackler "The problem is, only one of them is capable of playing in the halves (and then only at 6 IMO), and we aren't well drilled enough throughout the team to help them out. We should be far more organised than we are without Long IMO. Whilst other teams suffer a dip in creativity/spark, everyone still knows what they should be doing. We end up like a youth team, where everyone just looks for somebody else to take charge.'"


Very good post. It's also why we don't look that great when long is playing and doesn't spark

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Quote: carl_spackler "The problem is, only one of them is capable of playing in the halves (and then only at 6 IMO), and we aren't well drilled enough throughout the team to help them out. We should be far more organised than we are without Long IMO. Whilst other teams suffer a dip in creativity/spark, everyone still knows what they should be doing. We end up like a youth team, where everyone just looks for somebody else to take charge.'"


I agree with that, for me that is down to coaching rather than organising players. Saints have a structure that means even if a youngster comes in the structure stays the same. Our biggest problem is runners and suppport play, we don't push enough, it should be on every play or at least 3/4 per set but we don't do it.

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Quote: Tongan Mafia "Yeah my next trick is to say that we are signing Karl Pryce and hope the media get hold of it so i can feel important just like you
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Quote: Jake the Peg "Very good post. It's also why we don't look that great when long is playing and doesn't spark'"

Quote: Jake the Peg "I agree with that, for me that is down to coaching rather than organising players. Saints have a structure that means even if a youngster comes in the structure stays the same. Our biggest problem is runners and suppport play, we don't push enough, it should be on every play or at least 3/4 per set but we don't do it.'"


Agree with both of you. And as you say Paul, Saints' system remains the same regardless of who plays, which is why they've still been so strong despite their first choice pairing only playing together once since May. I may be wrong, but I haven't seen as much bleating about their halfback injury woes as we keep trotting out.

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Quote: PAUL M "We did have cover, Washbrook, Berrigan and Turner. They might not be the best but that's what cover is. Who would Rovers play at SH if Dobson got injured?

We gave Radford another deal because he has earnt one with his performances this season and we did try for another prop but Fielden stayed put and LMS went to Saints.

We showed when Long and Horne played with Tansey at Fb that we are a good side, like I said if we keep them fit then we can challenge. Especially now that we are bringing in cover.

You are thinking of Cooke from 5 years ago, he is not the same player.'"

Why?
apparently players sign because a coach persuades them that his vision for the future of the club is best? That's what all the players say once they've signed for a club. "I talked to Rich ( Justin/Nobby/Steve whoever ) and he convinced me I should sign". It's not about the money is it? If it was then Longy , Fitz et al would all have gone elsewhere apparently.
Players are professionals and quite rightly they will make a decision that is best for them financially first and foremost with ambition , silverware somewhere in the mix. Once they've signed they'll say it's because of the club/chairman/coach etc. hell they'd be idiots to do anything else.
Whether your recruitment process is good or bad , and it isn't just the individual player but the balance and mix of the group , is seen in the results and the pursuit of success. There's some luck involved and we've not had much but I think that you make your own and the successful clubs tend to be luckier all the time - Lucky Leeds is an example. Our recruitment hasn't worked out. The length of contracts given , the lack of balance between backs and forwards , the lack of planning 2 or 3 years ahead, the lack of thinking players and players playing out of position/with injuries etc have been wrong for some time. The people involved with this poor recruitment are by and large the ones doing it now and I've not heard any of them really say we got it wrong in the past but we're doing it different now. In fact generally they say we're going OK and infer that they'll carry on doing the same thing. I suppose I'll just have to wait and see whether anything changes and we start to see some success on the back of a sound recruitment strategy. Personally I've still not seen much evidence yet of that being likely.

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Quote: ChrisH "Why?
apparently players sign because a coach persuades them that his vision for the future of the club is best?
That's what all the players say once they've signed for a club. "I talked to Rich ( Justin/Nobby/Steve whoever ) and he convinced me I should sign". It's not about the money is it? If it was then Longy , Fitz et al would all have gone elsewhere apparently.
Players are professionals and quite rightly they will make a decision that is best for them financially first and foremost with ambition , silverware somewhere in the mix. Once they've signed they'll say it's because of the club/chairman/coach etc. hell they'd be idiots to do anything else.
Whether your recruitment process is good or bad , and it isn't just the individual player but the balance and mix of the group , is seen in the results and the pursuit of success. There's some luck involved and we've not had much but I think that you make your own and the successful clubs tend to be luckier all the time - Lucky Leeds is an example. Our recruitment hasn't worked out. The length of contracts given , the lack of balance between backs and forwards , the lack of planning 2 or 3 years ahead, the lack of thinking players and players playing out of position/with injuries etc have been wrong for some time. The people involved with this poor recruitment are by and large the ones doing it now and I've not heard any of them really say we got it wrong in the past but we're doing it different now. In fact generally they say we're going OK and infer that they'll carry on doing the same thing. I suppose I'll just have to wait and see whether anything changes and we start to see some success on the back of a sound recruitment strategy. Personally I've still not seen much evidence yet of that being likely.'"


why would fielden really want to leave wigan,a team who have topped the table?? Lms signed for a team who are consistent as regards getting to grand finals etc?? nothing to do with our coach that's for sure!!!

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I didn't say it was did I? Generally players stay where they are wanted if the financial deal is right and move if they are not wanted or the money/length of contract is wrong. I didn't say it was easy either. It's pretty plain to me that Leeds, Wigan ( who weren't top of the table last year ) , Sts and Wire have recruited better than we have. So have some other clubs. A coherent recruitment strategy involving recognising talent that may not be obvious or obviously available is a difficult thing to put in place and is many faceted. All I said was that our results do more that suggest that we haven't got it right up to now and at this point in time don't see what has changed or is changing to make it different in the future especially when looking at other teams recruitment for 2011.

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Quote: jimmyfivebellies "why would fielden really want to leave wigan,a team who have topped the table?? Lms signed for a team who are consistent as regards getting to grand finals etc?? nothing to do with our coach that's for sure!!!'"


Maybe if our coach got us to the top of the table or won us some grand finals they'd have signed for us

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Well seems to of drifted of subject, so here is my two peneth .
We don't have a system
We don't have a coach
We don't have tactics
We don't have an off-half
We don't have a

Till we do we are going no where .

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Quote: oud3pstander "Well seems to of drifted of subject, so here is my two peneth .
We don't have a system
We don't have a coach
We don't have tactics
We don't have an off-half
We don't have a Centre

Till we do we are going no where .'"


We don't back up effectively
We don't have dummy runners

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Quote: ChrisH "Why?
apparently players sign because a coach persuades them that his vision for the future of the club is best? That's what all the players say once they've signed for a club. "I talked to Rich ( Justin/Nobby/Steve whoever ) and he convinced me I should sign". It's not about the money is it? If it was then Longy , Fitz et al would all have gone elsewhere apparently.
Players are professionals and quite rightly they will make a decision that is best for them financially first and foremost with ambition , silverware somewhere in the mix. Once they've signed they'll say it's because of the club/chairman/coach etc. hell they'd be idiots to do anything else.
Whether your recruitment process is good or bad , and it isn't just the individual player but the balance and mix of the group , is seen in the results and the pursuit of success. There's some luck involved and we've not had much but I think that you make your own and the successful clubs tend to be luckier all the time - Lucky Leeds is an example. Our recruitment hasn't worked out. The length of contracts given , the lack of balance between backs and forwards , the lack of planning 2 or 3 years ahead, the lack of thinking players and players playing out of position/with injuries etc have been wrong for some time. The people involved with this poor recruitment are by and large the ones doing it now and I've not heard any of them really say we got it wrong in the past but we're doing it different now. In fact generally they say we're going OK and infer that they'll carry on doing the same thing. I suppose I'll just have to wait and see whether anything changes and we start to see some success on the back of a sound recruitment strategy. Personally I've still not seen much evidence yet of that being likely.'"


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Quote: PAUL M "I agree with that, for me that is down to coaching rather than organising players. Saints have a structure that means even if a youngster comes in the structure stays the same. Our biggest problem is runners and suppport play, we don't push enough, it should be on every play or at least 3/4 per set but we don't do it.'"


I think the main reason for that is Saints play as a club right throughout the age/team structure.

Their youngsters are coached along the same lines as the 1st team squad, so if they need to step up, they know the plays and it's then just a question of adapting to the speed of the game etc.

I reckon they put more emphasis on player development than winning youth team silverware

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