Too many handling errors cost us on Saturday, we should and could have won the game.

Wellens, Gardner and Wilkin were awful and should not play International rugby again.

You are deluding yourself that we could have won the game. What you have is an overhyped so called Super League and this bunch stand out in what is a very limited competition. The Aussies and the Kiwis are fitter faster,play better football and have turned us into an international joke. The press have laughed at the format and our performance. As I said before, I have no doubt as soon as the new SL season starts it will all be forgotton but I for one can see throught the crap and see how far the game is falling behind. I repeat, without a credible International game it could wither and die!! Get money away from the bloated debt ridden so called top clubs and put more into the grass roots and do it NOW!

rlCan't disagree with any of thisrlAnd we are complicit by giving players like Byrne and Cusack employment.

The "aura" surrounding several Saints players has been shot to pieces in this World Cup. Will be interesting to see how they bounce back next season. There for the taking i reckon.

Combine that with Potter and a few players looking anxiously towards the end of their pro careers you may well be right.

I also believe the interpretations of the rules have a big impact. SL encourages quick PTB’s, too quick IMO and whilst the game appears exciting it often has no structure whatsoever. The NRL on the other hand allow the defense a lot more time in the ruck, which subsequently enables the defensive line to re-group for each tackle. Without the privilege of playing behind a pack on the roll Englands creativity was awful. The likes of Burrow, Pryce, Mcguire, etc. are all fantastic broken field runners but appear clueless when faced with a solid defensive line. Australia on the other hand have an intelligent hooker, creative halves and willing runners – England have none of these. It might sound a bit negative but for us to compete on the international stage we need to slow down the ruck and force attacking teams to be more creative.

Whilst I don't necessarily agree that one or the other interpretation is correct I do agree that the fact there is a difference causes a lot of problems, the standard of international RL refereeing is a concern, not so much as the decisions made, but the interpretation of the rules.

Had we played NZ with Ganson in the middle we may well have had a different result, that is just plain wrong.

They cant do anything without the right runners. We cant open teams up because we dont have the runners hitting the right angles. SL is based on quick PTB so we dont have to work on having 3 or 4 runners in motion and picking the right pass and throwing it accurately and at the right moment. The Aussie half backs would struggle in the England team because the players dont give the options.

I did say that in my original post (willing runners).

hello from surfers paradise, the weather is s*** and when its wet here theres as much to do as there is at home! had a great week in sydney, mid 20s and clear blue skies, first 2 days is brissy were nice. on sunday there was the worst storm in brisbane in 25 years after a day of clear bue skies that reached 32degrees and its been drissle since then. had to cancel my sky dive today and doesnt look like well have the weather tomorrow to do it

anywaaaaay... went to the last 2 england games, what a steaming pile of crap. the st hellens players (apart from graham) once again totally let the side down, gardner wellens and wilkin in particular were attrocious. to add to it newcastle is a deserted hell hole, its a giant version of gilberdyke. suncorp stadium was very dissapointing, but maybe ive been spoiled with cardiff and wembley in the past few years. loads of hull fans around, seen more hull shirts than any other, plenty of wigan and rovers shirts as well.

When I was there for the Trinations 2 years ago, I thought the Suncorp was a fantastic stadium. Particularly the direct link to the brewery next door that means it never runs out of crappy lager!

the sun reappeared today, got sky dive in this morning then went down to the beach at surfers paradise.