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| Quote: fcandy "Reality check Hessle Roader. We were completely dominated by Leeds, were OK against Bradford, couldn’t kill a game off a game against Saints with 8 missed attacking opportunities in last 10mins. Again completely out classed by Warrington despite them missing there three best players. Oh and then we played Widnes and looked like a bad Championship one side. The facts show we are nowhere near as good as the coach and players think we are or should be. The problems are so obvious but yet nobody wants to admit them.
The coach has made a poor call with going for light “mobile” forwards that get dominated every game. We don’t have the skill in the backs to pull this game plan off and Jay Pitts and Rich Whiting and Paul Johnson don’t cut the mustard as props simple as. We have an obsession with KY and RH contract extensions despite them being very average SL players, just because they are from Hull. Recruitment of Joe Arundel on a 4 year deal looks extremely poor business to me. Turner is light years ahead. For me Manu has more of a positive impact on winning a game than Ellis would have been even if fit! Sam Moa or Paul Johnson, enough said. We also have TB who looks like he can’t be d at all and is terrible under the high bomb with KY. We won’t make the playoffs this year it’s as simple as that.'"
Your reality check just bounced.
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| Quote: Rock God X "That's the least realistic 'reality check' I've ever seen.'"
You beat me to it. Some of the posters on here are real merchants of doom. We're 5 matches into 27. If we look the same after 10 then they may have a point, but for now let PG and the boys get on with it.
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| Quote: Kosh "Your reality check just bounced.'"
What do you disagree with then? Sarcastic replies are easy but you obviously feel all is ok at the club?
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| Quote: Hessle Roader "You beat me to it. Some of the posters on here are real merchants of doom. We're 5 matches into 27. If we look the same after 10 then they may have a point, but for now let PG and the boys get on with it.'"
We have the same players making the same mistakes time after time season after season. Even our coach admits that. What have you seen that makes you feel we are going to win something this year then?
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| Quote: fcandy "Reality check Hessle Roader. We were completely dominated by Leeds, were OK against Bradford, couldn’t kill a game off a game against Saints with 8 missed attacking opportunities in last 10mins. Again completely out classed by Warrington despite them missing there three best players. Oh and then we played Widnes and looked like a bad Championship one side. The facts show we are nowhere near as good as the coach and players think we are or should be. The problems are so obvious but yet nobody wants to admit them.
The coach has made a poor call with going for light “mobile” forwards that get dominated every game. We don’t have the skill in the backs to pull this game plan off and Jay Pitts and Rich Whiting and Paul Johnson don’t cut the mustard as props simple as. We have an obsession with KY and RH contract extensions despite them being very average SL players, just because they are from Hull. Recruitment of Joe Arundel on a 4 year deal looks extremely poor business to me. Turner is light years ahead. For me Manu has more of a positive impact on winning a game than Ellis would have been even if fit! Sam Moa or Paul Johnson, enough said. We also have TB who looks like he can’t be d at all and is terrible under the high bomb with KY. We won’t make the playoffs this year it’s as simple as that.'"
Here's my 'reality check' reply to your post just listing main thoughts ..
"OK against Bradford" - is an understatement we totally dominated the team that beat Hudds last week.
"Completely outclassed by Warrington" - is an over-statement although we were deservedly beaten it was a 15 minute spell that did for us.
"forwards that get dominated every game" - yet weren't dominated at all by Bradford or Saints plus see above for Wire. Neither were they dominated at Widnes - Hull's 1-7 positions lost that game IMO.
"KY and RH contract extensions" - I agree with to a great extent - we should have strengthened these positions a long time ago.
"Joe Arundel on a 4 year deal looks extremely poor business" - looks to have no confidence in his injured shoulder to me at least I hope it's that that is affecting his tackling to the extent it is. More games for York required.
Others - Manu wanted to leave despite being offered a contract as did Moa. Slagging Tom Briscoe off for "not being d" is cheap and total garbage - in my opinion of course. Oh and Ellis hasn't played yet by the way.
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| Quote: Staffs FC "Here's my 'reality check' reply to your post just listing main thoughts ..
"OK against Bradford" - is an understatement we totally dominated the team that beat Hudds last week.
"Completely outclassed by Warrington" - is an over-statement although we were deservedly beaten it was a 15 minute spell that did for us.
"forwards that get dominated every game" - yet weren't dominated at all by Bradford or Saints plus see above for Wire. Neither were they dominated at Widnes - Hull's 1-7 positions lost that game IMO.
"KY and RH contract extensions" - I agree with to a great extent - we should have strengthened these positions a long time ago.
"Joe Arundel on a 4 year deal looks extremely poor business" - looks to have no confidence in his injured shoulder to me at least I hope it's that that is affecting his tackling to the extent it is. More games for York required.
Others - Manu wanted to leave despite being offered a contract as did Moa. Slagging Tom Briscoe off for "not being d" is cheap and total garbage - in my opinion of course. Oh and Ellis hasn't played yet by the way.'"
At the end of the day the league table doesn't lie. Looks like most people are content with how we are going. Good luck with that.
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| Quote: fcandy "At the end of the day the league table doesn't lie. Looks like most people are content with how we are going. Good luck with that.'"
That's not the reality though is it ? Check ?
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| Quote: fcandy "At the end of the day the league table doesn't lie. Looks like most people are content with how we are going. Good luck with that.'"
Nobody is content with it obviously. We all want to see our team up near the top and challenging for trophies. What we are saying is its far too early in the season to be writing off our chances. As others have pointed out elsewhere, we've had bad starts before and finished the season in a good position. A little faith in our players and coach wouldn't go amiss with some people.
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| Quote: fcandy "At the end of the day the league table doesn't lie. Looks like most people are content with how we are going. Good luck with that.'"
People are not content with anything however, we are five games in and it's not the time to judge.
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| Quote: fcandy "Reality check Hessle Roader. We were completely dominated by Leeds, were OK against Bradford, couldn’t kill a game off a game against Saints with 8 missed attacking opportunities in last 10mins. Again completely out classed by Warrington despite them missing there three best players. Oh and then we played Widnes and looked like a bad Championship one side. The facts show we are nowhere near as good as the coach and players think we are or should be. The problems are so obvious but yet nobody wants to admit them.
The coach has made a poor call with going for light “mobile” forwards that get dominated every game. We don’t have the skill in the backs to pull this game plan off and Jay Pitts and Rich Whiting and Paul Johnson don’t cut the mustard as props simple as. We have an obsession with KY and RH contract extensions despite them being very average SL players, just because they are from Hull. Recruitment of Joe Arundel on a 4 year deal looks extremely poor business to me. Turner is light years ahead. For me Manu has more of a positive impact on winning a game than Ellis would have been even if fit! Sam Moa or Paul Johnson, enough said. We also have TB who looks like he can’t be d at all and is terrible under the high bomb with KY. We won’t make the playoffs this year it’s as simple as that.'"
This annoys me. Pretty much man for man relative to their respective teams we were missing the same (and then some), and they were better to start with and have better replacements. Briers - Holdsworth, Morley - Watts, Westwood - Ellis. We had no advantage over Warrington in the missing personnel stakes.
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| Quote: fcandy "At the end of the day the league table doesn't lie. Looks like most people are content with how we are going. Good luck with that.'"
At the end of the season (or even half-way), no it doesn't. But 5 games in it can be a little misleading. See 2009 for details.
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| Quote: fcandy "What do you disagree with then? Sarcastic replies are easy but you obviously feel all is ok at the club?'"
No. That's a classic false dichotomy response - "if you don't agree with me then you must believe the exact opposite".
Others have adequately refuted your 'reality check'. I'm of a similar opinion to Staffs FC on most of his points. The 'reality check' that's needed is for people who thought that Pearson and Gentle had some kind of magic wand that would put right years of underinvestment and poor recruitment in a single season. And folk who have written off the entire season after 5 games.
That would be you, BTW. Amongst others.
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| Quote: Kosh "No. That's a classic false dichotomy response - "if you don't agree with me then you must believe the exact opposite".
Others have adequately refuted your 'reality check'. I'm of a similar opinion to Staffs FC on most of his points. The 'reality check' that's needed is for people who thought that Pearson and Gentle had some kind of magic wand that would put right years of underinvestment and poor recruitment in a single season. And folk who have written off the entire season after 5 games.
That would be you, BTW. Amongst others.'"
Firstly I didn't actually say or even imply "if you don't agree with me then you must believe the exact opposite". You just made that up in your head didn’t you? I just asked you what your opinion was seen as you hadn’t give me one and just gave a sarcastic reply. Well done for using a thesaurus by the way on the word dichotomy. Shame it wasn’t used in context but again that doesn’t surprise me.
Another fact you’ve got wrong is that this is the 2nd season Gentle has been in charge. Anyway keep on supporting mediocrity with blind faith that things will change. I wonder if you will be holding back your judgment if we lose tonight.
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| Quote: fcandy "Firstly I didn't actually say or even imply "if you don't agree with me then you must believe the exact opposite". You just made that up in your head didn’t you? I just asked you what your opinion was seen as you hadn’t give me one and just gave a sarcastic reply. Well done for using a thesaurus by the way on the word dichotomy. Shame it wasn’t used in context but again that doesn’t surprise me.'"
Hmmm. Let's review what you actually said...
Quote: fcandy "What do you disagree with then? Sarcastic replies are easy but you obviously feel all is ok at the club?'"
I've emphasised the appropriate part.
Quote: fcandy "Another fact you’ve got wrong is that this is the 2nd season Gentle has been in charge. Anyway keep on supporting mediocrity with blind faith that things will change. I wonder if you will be holding back your judgment if we lose tonight.'"
This season is a whole 5 games old. I guess I could have been uber pedantic and said "in one season and 5 games" but I figured most reasonable people would get my drift. How wrong I was. I can see now that 5 whole games makes all the difference.
Oh - and the last part of your quote above is once again making the assumption that because I don't share your opinion I must want the opposite. Good going - deny something at the beginning of the post and then do it at the end.
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