This in itself should have been motivation enough for the players to get their backsides in gear and, if not that, for the many fans that shelled out their hard earned to go and watch them. I'm starting to wonder if the players themselves actually have any ambition or desire because there was certainly none on show yesterday. Watched the Melbourne game this morning without knowing the score wondering how they'd play with nothing to play for. As I suspected, they were ultimate professionals and won the game convincingly. Our players could take a leaf out of their book.

Thats the mystery of all this to me. What do the people in positions of power in FC see in Agar because it beats me and the vast majority of the people I speak to. Many of those have years of experience coaching, playing and watching the game at all levels but almost without exception are critical of his decisions, game plan and especially interchanges.

Three words Cheap Yes Man

Great post

you still aint got the balls to try get rid of mr agar...not one of you "agar out" mob

I'm not quite sure what point you're trying to make TBH. Do you still think that Agar is doing a bang-up job and so should be retained? Or are you finally seeing the light but just think that nothing will be done?

i'm saying he and the players are not doing the job they are supposed to..it is afterall a team/club thing and it cannot just be pinpointed on one man..like yesterdays debacle and others before it have been mostly the players inability to play as they should...IMO..Once on the pitch its down to the players to put the effort in and yesterday they didnt..agar didnt give the ball away god knows how many times,agar didnt miss over 20 tackles did he?...it seems to be a lack of team effort not just a crap coach.

The players certainly share some of the blame, but the coach is at the centre of it IMO. We were told that the bad apples had all been released and this was HIS team. He signed them, trains them, and picks them to play. If so many are not performing, then that's really down to him at the end of the day.

Aside from the fact that this is now 'Agar's team', people who use this argument just don't understand the sport. It seems some people want to believe that playing for the club should be motivation alone for the players but the fact is 99% of all rugby players are simply mercenaries, a black and white hooped shirt and a song about a horse aren't enough to motivate them to success.

Essentially in the modern game the players play for the coach and unfortunately for us our coach is Agar, we had no chance from
the day he was appointed.

Already decided not to renew season pass next season if Clueless is still in charge. I will follow them at all the away games so i get to see them but the club will not get a penny from me next season. Not even for a new shirt i will just stick with this seasons.
Spoke to a lot of our supporters at Murrayfield yesterday and it is surprising how many are feeling this way and will not be renewing their passes.

Ah simple then. Get rid of Agar in any case as the coach on your thinking plays no part in the team set up at all.

Its clear to anyone with a brain that either he is tactically inept or he is not preparing the squad well enough. The team have been up for 2 games all season. Saints away (which was simply for Longy I think) and the Rovers game. That is down to motivation, desire and tactical awareness.

The players share the blame but the only thing that has not changed over the past 2 1/2 years is the coach and the level of performances. Bottom line is that the coach has to take the blame for that at some point. That time is now. He has "his" team and the performances are still dire.

Its not as if its all about winning its also about the performances and the majority of the time the performance is dire. Once the team go behind by two or more scores there is no chance of a recovery and thats down to desire and commitment to the cause and fighting for the manager / coach.

I think its interesting that when similar threads started last year many more people were sticking up for the board, saying they were 'loyal' and would go regardless, and that posters suggesting boycotts etc were pathetic...

this years thread we've had one person questioning if the posters 'have balls' and that's about all.

speaking to people offline and its a similar situation, the negative feeling towards the board seems to be growing.

I spoke to a lot of our fans at Murrayfield yesterday and i got the same response from every one of them. Not one of them has any faith in Agar anymore last year people would be more protective of him stating stuff like "injuries, not his squad etc etc" but now it seems just about all of them are starting to wonder why the man is still in the job.

Very interesting. I think the board as well as some fans (and I include myself amongst them) have been deluding themselves that we are a "big" club on the back of a a few top 4 finishes and the CC win, and consequently that the last couple of years have been a Cooke-induced hiatus before we return to the right end of the table.

The club has been very keen (quite rightly) to publicise the commercial and community aspects of its operation and declare these successes. But at the end of the day, the raison d'etre of a sporting club of our size, history and commercial stability should be to win trophies on a consistent basis. This should be the overriding mission of the board, and is one where they are failing abjectly.

There are a couple of possible scenarios here:

1)The board don't give a stuff about Hull FC winning trophies and hold shares in the club as a non loss-making hobby. Was Kath gutted about losing to Leeds in the CC, for example? No idea, but probably didn't lose any sleep over it. The conspiracy theory here is obviously that the Hetheringtons like to ensure that FC continues to turn in a profit and pay Kath but fail to provide any threat to Leeds. Sounds incredible, no idea whether there's any truth in it. But if this is the case, they should step aside if there are any potential alternative buyers-in-waiting. If there aren't we need to recognise the club's complete lack of ambition and either continue to support it or watch the club slide.

2) The club do have ambitions to win trophies and genuinely believe Agar is the man who will deliver. In which case, as business people, they should take a long hard look at Agar's KRAs and re-appraise his performances, benchmarking them against the competition. In which case, as rational people persuaded by facts, they should see they've made a monumental feck-up in extending Agar's deal.

The other thing I don't understand is the frequently repeated mantra that Agar is a "yes" man and that no coach who's his own man would accept the terms the club impose, that the coach doesn't determine his own signings. In which case the board should be judged on the team's results as they are directly appointing the coach and the team.