really? saints pack was still quality, throw in roby who kept us on the back foot most of the second half, it was the perfect platform for wilkin and eastmond, foster, armstrong have played games regular for saints! only ashe i can think of is who hasn't played for the saints 1st team before

Maybe that is because they are not afraid to try youngsters when players are injured. Anybody who thinks that Saints were not well under strength must be deluded. Yes they still had good players out there but strangely we had internationals playing for us in 08/09 but the excuses back then were that we were missing too many "Influential" players.

The only positive we can take from today is that we did not lose.

I sort of see what your saying but I can't help but think your purposely thinking like this in order to support a certain campaign.

All credit to the Saints youngsters. They showed real promise. Stuck to the coaches game plan second half and came away with a point.

Forget the referee, that was an excellent game today and a draw was the right result.

We scored some outstanding tries and Saints comeback inspired by James Robey matched ours of last season.

Disappointed that our pack had no 'go forward' in the second half and we were far too indecisive against their speculative kicks .

The last 3 games have re-ignited our season.

I don't think we had a choice in that to be honest with you. Saints dominated the ruck and got over the advantage line with ease, we hardly had any ball in the first 25 minutes of the second half, so we had no choice but to defend IMO.

We didn't deal well enough with a few kicks and soon found ourselves on the back foot. IMO the game plan didn't change just that the momentum went Saints way and we found ourselves on the back foot rather then choosing to be on it.

well said sir

another inmate who has just escaped the Asylum ,boll*cks to this caring in the community

Agree to disagree on this one. Everyone has different views of a game and ours obviously don;t match Why we let a team with so many first choice players out dominate the 2nd half so much is a mystery.

Armstrong played a couple of games last season. This season he's been on dual reg with Leigh and only got brought back last week due to our injuries.

Eastmond, well let's not talk about that, we all know what happens. Suffice to say, when he has played for us, our own fans boo him.

Foster, yes. He's very good, not denying that ( if only I was 20 years younger <sigh>icon_wink.gif.

Wilkin. Also very good but in his own post match interview 'never a 6'

I never meant any intent when I said we had a lot of kids out. I said our forwards and second row were first teamers/internationals, call them what you will.

But I still say our kids came very good, especially Ashe, who was only given a shirt number two days ago.

Thought some decisions either way were dodgy, but half the refs are aligned with one team or another so don't think that can be an excuse either.

If Hull had Longy uninjured think it might have been different! You would almost definitely have had a drop goal!

Oh and PS: Wire Wonder is a very very bad troll who apparently spends all his/her spare time trying to think up inflammatory comments to rouse everyone. Fun to answer back but pointless

It wasn't a poor team, but it was well short of their best team.

Letting a Saints fan ref Saints, and any hometown referee officiate in a game involving their hometown is a farce. It is one of the many stupid decisions made by the RFL which makes our sport a laughing stock and keeps us as a minority sport.

hmm sounds like you think I'm trying to use the fact Ganson is a known St Helens fan as a reason.

Wrong I just question the fact any ref who is a supporter or has any ties is allowed too ref teams they have some connection too, the fact the RFL has not done what many other sports have done and made it a rule that refs cannot ref games they have ties with is another reason they are an joke.

what I'm saying has nothing to do with what happened today as personally think Ganson is a joke anyway he always finds someway too make himself the of attention whenever he appears on live tv games.

Agree with this - the thing is that Ganson, Silverwood and Bentham are commonly associated with teams and are also the more prominent refs therefore end up with their 'home' teams frequently for televised ties. We need more refs and ones that are better......