Because the teams that a wrestling well now are playing to the refs, if the refs cut the amount of time allowed in a tackle these teams would adjust to it without any problems. FWIW I think they should

Perhaps all this moral high ground is a bit rich from someone whose supporters booed every tackle we made just to pressurise the ref.

I am no more responsible for some of my fans doing that than you are of some of the idiots who give your club a bad (unfair might I add) reputation, fact.

And besides. fans do that at every ground in the country mate, the Southstanders at Leeds are probably the worst for it but they aren't employed by the club so good luck to em, referees should be professional enough not to listen. I shout at my own players when they're messing around at the play the ball, I absolutely hate it. Agar is a coach and should know better its bad enough in football with manager's either saying things to refs at halftime or criticising them in the press, players aren't allowed to do it so its hardly setting a good example or creating the right mentality for the players. Daniel Anderson, Ian Millward, Justin Morgan, Brian Mclennan etc have showed in the past that moaning about refs gets you nowhere, Agar should learn from it.

I for one do not want a Aussie coach I want to see a English coach.. To coach English players to kick the ar-es of the Aussies

If an English coach can do that then thats all well and good mate, the majority of fans want the same.

One which your club, unfairly might I add, well and truly shares.

As I said earlier the reason they boo at every ground is that no one knows from one week to the next what interpretation the ref you get will be putting on the rules. there is no definitive consistant standard for holding down, simple as! We would never have won on Friday if you let us have 17 players on the field at the same time you were better than us.

But all this don't critise the ref stuff is rubbish, you have to, one of your tries came straight from a quick tap on the twenty that was at least 15 yards to the right of centre. I thought that was against the rules but obviously Mr Alibert felt he should not stop the flow of the game! that blatent disreguard for the rules frustrates the fans and no doubt the management. For me the action of all those coaches you list is down to one thing total frustration with the quality and consistancy of refereeing, it is ruining our game as a spectacle!

Just my probably outdated views of course but some that I think a few more fans who are getting fed up with standards in refereeing would agree with.

Agreed, I was using it as an analogy not as a dig.

The refs are dire at times, everyone knows that but coaches need to get together and go through the correct channels to deal with it. Consistency of refereeing is a separate issue than this for me if Agar can't see the difference between what Wigan were doing and what your players were doing then he shouldn't be a coach. Fans of every club in the country cite certain refs they feel has it in for them, on our board when the ref for the next game is announced you can guarantee the next post will be complaining, whoever it is. It achieves absolutely nothing moaning about it either as a fan or a coach but the coaches job is to make sure his team do everything they can to avoid being at the wrong side of the penalty count, your discipline in the first half at Wigan was atrocious and this needs addressing by Agar as a priority as seemingly Friday wasn't the first time you've failed to control the ruck.

Coaches have been trying that for years. Nothing happens. How long do you suggest we put up with it?


Except on here.

You won't find anyone claiming that any refs have it in for Hull. It's competence that's the issue, not bias. Halibut is just plain incompetent and should not be an SL official. Simplez.

With all due respect, the ref only has one pair of eye's. if they donlt watch the defensive line for off side they are slagged. now, if they don't watch the tackle / play the ball, they are slagged.

Refs, in my opinion, are only poor if they miss something obvious, like the ball carrier knocking on. Even then their view could be obscured.

I think in many sports, because money talks and no one acsepts the blame, the easy way out is to blame the ref.

I personally lilke the comment "You have given us nothing...blah blah blah". The ref is not there to give anything to anyone. If anything they are there to penalise infringments.

As has coaches moaning in public about refs, does that work? Until there are more refs there's nothing to be done other than 'put up with it' and having coaches slagging them off in public is hardly the way to encourage people to become referees.

So Hull have no fans who think refs have it in for them? I've lived here for long enough to know that's not the case.

I know we're never going to agree on the subject but some of your fans have got the right idea. If you don't start playing to the refs its going to be a very long and difficult season, when the ref makes the call you can't pick a player up and try to turn him over. That's what Hull were doing and why they were penalised for it (in addition to numerous grapple tackles). I'll have the DVD by the weekend if you want a copy.

And with equal respect, a few of them need to learn how to use them.

I don't expect infallibility. Refs are human, it's a fast moving game, and things will be missed. Maybe utilising the TJs more would help there. Who knows.

I [ido[/i expect a [iprofessional[/i referee to know the rules and apply them consistently to both sides for the entire 80 minutes. All too often that simply isn't the case.

I don't think Alibert "had it in" for FC, but he was unduly influenced by the home crowd baying for a penalty at every single PTB IMO. Wigan were guilty of holding down too but FC were penalised disproportionately. I'm disappointed that the refs in general are allowing as much laying on as they are.

Frustration will eventually make people try anything. Livelihoods are on the line here.

My absolute preference is for there to be a functional mechanism for coaches to raise concerns and get some redress without having to open their mouths in public. Sadly that isn't where we are, and no amount of wishing it were otherwise is going to change anything.


I said [ion here[/i. You're welcome to check out the weekly Ref thread, but I honestly can't recall the last time we had a debate about a ref being biased.


No need - I made the point myself on another thread about our inability to play to the ref. I know we're crap at it and have been for years. Of course, whether anyone should [ihave[/i to adapt their game depending on who the ref is and what mood he's in is another thing altogether...