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| Quote: Mild mannered Janitor "The player revaluation reserve has been there since the days of Hetherington. So hardly what you'd call news.
If you think balance sheet total is a reasonable way of valuing a business, you are more clueless than you originally let on.'"
Also presumably not an issue with the RFL, other Super League clubs, our auditors or the media. Just the odd supporter of a Championship club.
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Club Captain | 140 | No Team Selected |
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| Quote: Mild mannered Janitor "The player revaluation reserve has been there since the days of Hetherington. So hardly what you'd call news.
If you think balance sheet total is a reasonable way of valuing a business, you are more clueless than you originally let on.'"
Some businesses that rarely make a profit do rely on assets for added value to the business. Profitable businesses have the luxury of using a multiple of yearly profits as a valuation without the need for assets.
Pearson mentioned about removing it when he bought the club. He has increased it from £1,017,000. Not even premiere league football clubs do it. They only show the costs of player transfers.
In previous years, FC have included their players as 'intangible assets' as part of their balance sheet – placing a value of more than £1m on their squad last year.
From an interview with Pearson in the HDM
This helped FC report net assets of £939,000 last year, but Pearson believes those figures to have been unrealistic.
"The balance sheet had been positively enhanced and the valuation that had been put on the players on the balance sheet were unrealistic," Pearson said.
"We will be reducing them over time to what is a realistic value."
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Player Coach | 1331 | |
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Player Coach | 8546 | No Team Selected |
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Aug 2005 | 19 years | |
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| Quote: Keith_Lard "]Some businesses that rarely make a profit do rely on assets for added value to the business. Profitable businesses have the luxury of using a multiple of yearly profits as a valuation without the need for assets.
Pearson mentioned about removing it when he bought the club. He has increased it from £1,017,000. Not even premiere league football clubs do it. They only show the costs of player transfers.
In previous years, FC have included their players as 'intangible assets' as part of their balance sheet – placing a value of more than £1m on their squad last year.
From an interview with Pearson in the HDM
This helped FC report net assets of £939,000 last year, but Pearson believes those figures to have been unrealistic.
"The balance sheet had been positively enhanced and the valuation that had been put on the players on the balance sheet were unrealistic," Pearson said.
"We will be reducing them over time to what is a realistic value."'"
Come on chief spit out what you really want to say and claim that this means we are making a loss. You know you want to do it, but also deep down you know that it's completely irrelevant. Just enjoy trying to get revenge on Oldham, we'll enjoy our profits.
Your crowd today will be what 6500? Mainly due to this season your frothing fans trying to prove they are the most amazing fans. Next season when you play them it will be 4500. Season after 2500. Season after 0 as you will be defunct.
Your intangible assets can be the same over all that period of time. Do one.
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Club Captain | 140 | No Team Selected |
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Dec 2015 | 9 years | |
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| Quote: hull smallears "Come on chief spit out what you really want to say and claim that this means we are making a loss. You know you want to do it, but also deep down you know that it's completely irrelevant. Just enjoy trying to get revenge on Oldham, we'll enjoy our profits.
Your crowd today will be what 6500? Mainly due to this season your frothing fans trying to prove they are the most amazing fans. Next season when you play them it will be 4500. Season after 2500. Season after 0 as you will be defunct.
Your intangible assets can be the same over all that period of time. Do one.'"
More to do with valuing a company and nothing to do with if you have made a profit or loss.
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| Interesting to see that if you google key words on the hdm website, Lardy's exact same dialogue appears in the comments sections.
Sums him up nicely, I'd say,
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Club Captain | 140 | No Team Selected |
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| Quote: ccs "Interesting to see that if you google key words on the hdm website, Lardy's exact same dialogue appears in the comments sections.
Sums him up nicely, I'd say,'"
I think the clue from the HDM website might have given it away.
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Club Owner | 7735 | No Team Selected |
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Feb 2004 | 21 years | |
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| Quote: Keith_Lard "More to do with valuing a company and nothing to do with if you have made a profit or loss.'"
Absolutely sod all to do with valuing the company.
Stop making your self look stupid.
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For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.
For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
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| The game that Wigan targeted last year was Catalan in the Super 8's and drew an attendance of 16,140.
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| Quote: Mild mannered Janitor "Absolutely sod all to do with valuing the company.
Stop making your self look stupid.'"
So are you stating that a company with £10 million of tangible assets, making £100,000 worth of profit can be valued the same as a company making a profit of £100,000 without any assets?
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| Has Larvin's money come through yet?
Or Allam's million pound gift?
Or is that vice president who was going to bring all that Russian oil money still there?
And will the dobbins accounts be filed on time or are they still counting the massive profit they made as a result of the huge crowds and glorious relegation they got last season?
Being the financial genius you claim to be there should no problem answering these as surely you know more about your own club than Hull.
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International Star | 2490 | No Team Selected |
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73680_1515668157.jpg [size=85:3idnpzvq]Cup Winners: 1914, 1982, 2005, 2016, 2017.
Cup Runners-Up: 1908, 1909, 1910, 1922, 1923, 1959, 1960, 1980, 1983, 1985, 2008, 2013.
League Champions: 1920, 1921, 1936, 1956, 1958, 1983.
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| Quote: Keith_Lard "So are you stating that a company with £10 million of tangible assets, making £100,000 worth of profit can be valued the same as a company making a profit of £100,000 without any assets?
Shot yourself in the foot there Keith, you keep telling us the player valuation is intangible.
Looking forward to seeing this brought up again next year, there's always one. Little brother always looking to score points off big brother
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Club Owner | 7735 | No Team Selected |
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| Quote: Keith_Lard "So are you stating that a company with £10 million of tangible assets, making £100,000 worth of profit can be valued the same as a company making a profit of £100,000 without any assets?
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International Chairman | 1470 | |
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| So does the profit include the Westerman sale or not, it was announced late October 2015?
If it doesn't then how bad does that make the previous seasons loss look given it included the sale of both Lineham and Westerman!
Need to be top 4 again and to somehow up the average attendances, losing the KR games both home and away is going to hurt especially if we don't make a final!
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "So does the profit include the Westerman sale or not, it was announced late October 2015?
If it doesn't then how bad does that make the previous seasons loss look given it included the sale of both Lineham and Westerman!
Need to be top 4 again and to somehow up the average attendances, losing the KR games both home and away is going to hurt especially if we don't make a final!'"
I'm guessing that as the players are classed as assets with a value in the accounts, that we would just show any profit/loss between the stated value in the accounts and actual transfer fee received so if westerman was valued at £100k and we got £150k for him then we would show a profit of £50k. I stand to be corrected by one of our resident accountants of course
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