Didn't Richard Agar say something similar at the start of his tenure? Four years later...

Forgive me ............

We played today with ONE recognised prop and a string of other injuries/suspensions against a near full strength Widnes team that played tight percentage rugby on a wet afternoon. Their tactics where spot on for the conditions ours where not and even then it took a mistake in the early part of the match to be the difference.

Our half backs struggled today because the forwards did not provide any platform they could work off or around. Unless we get some back for Salford the same or worse will happen. The weather played a big factor as well, remember Wembley anyone ? reminded me badly of that day. Too many passes went out wide , behind or where dropped passing out long balls on days like today when the tactic is keep it tight.

I think there was a lot of panic out there and too many players out of position, it could be a long season .................. again

You think Radford is like Agar?

Hull were dire today and still bombed 6 clear cut scoring opportunities. widnes created nothing and scored their only try from an error by our full back. I doubt you'll win many away games this season unless you improve significantly.

hull still lack that type of player ,who can dictate play in differing conditions.

We've lost one so far. No bitterness in your post!

No, none at all, just my observations from attending the game. We were rubbish and still created enough clear cut chances to beat you by 30 points

I'm sure the 7 pages before this is pretty much the same

What a utter joke and disgrace,

No team should ever be nilled at home. It wouldnt shock me if we have the most home nillings in SL

Nilled at home should be enough to cough a weeks wages for these super stars (and coaches)

It's just a game of rugby - don't go if it upsets you so much.

Widnes where nowhere near their best and still won. We will win a few away games and get over it and move on. The game is about taking your chances and that is my observations.

You dont see the top teams nilled at home.

We should be aiming for much more than this FFS

But you didn't. You didn't score a single point.

You have answered your own question. Hull are not a top team.

Taking a positive from game, defence must have been good, the least amount of points you have conceded all season.

The patched up pack weren't too bad although Widnes didn't offer much. It could easily have finished 0-0.

i think when richard whiting said they were going to make the KC a fortress,he should remember what happened to the walls at jericho.

Probably not in terms of personality. But there are definite parallels - inexperienced assistant promoted to head coach, questionable selections (Heremaia at HB, ffs), weird use of the subs bench, says he'll walk if he's not up to it. He's not Agar (obviously), but the early part of his tenure does nothing to convince me he's going to be a great deal better.

Agree, said the same as we left.

You are Lee Radford and I claim my £5.

Fair comment. The first 5 games were an improvement on last season in my opinion. Obviously yesterday was a disgrace but as I've said elsewhere I don't think a large portion of blame can be apportioned directly at Radford. I haven't agreed with some of his selections and it is strange to say the least not to use all bench options in a game unless you lack confidence in individuals. Regardless of yesterday's selections the team on the field created more than enough to win the game easily and the majority of blame lies with the individuals who couldn't execute to the basic level required of pro SL players. The biggest thing that should be changed going forward is to stop the practice of what seems almost like auto-renewal of contracts of players who do this time and again IMO.

Never since the reign of Sharp have we seen attack like we have in the first four matches this season. Agar was incapable of building on Peter Sharp's - handsome - legacy and we endured moribund monotony for years. Radford has shown he is capable of making a difference, he has given us the structure and the systems that score tries. I've been to every match this year and, until last week, have not been as encouraged by a run of games since 2006.

What Radford has to do now is find a way to return to that structure and not fall into the trap that Agar did by swapping the whole team around to fill a problem area. Shaul back to fullback, pick the halves from the 3 halves we have, Houghton and Heremaia spelling at hooker. He's got a temporary prop crisis but the pack yesterday stood up much better than expected, for me. Major issue there is to ensure Westerman retains the freedom to be that pivotal LF.

Next week shouldn't be about dropping individuals for errors or perceived lack of effort. Radford merely needs to return to his basic principles and, as far as he can with the forwards he has, put people back where they should be.

That's about the size of it. Stop tinkering, play people in their natural positions. And hope it isn't raining.

This. A thousand times this. We have a long and inglorious history of sticking with players who repeatedly fail. Radford alluded to it in his post-match comments so I have some hope that this is going to change.

Current examples?