Fair enough. I just do think that the organisational side is a big factor. IMO the attributes to his game are not dissimilar to Danny McGuire, but McGuire has been able to depend upon Sinfield doing the organising as he rarely misses a game.

If we finally do have a dominant pack and someone pulling the strings we may see the best of him again, but if not there can be no hiding from it.

It depends what kind of off season our pack puts in, Lynch,Moa and O'Meley means we're one light to me, hopefully O'Carrol will continue developing as he started to at Wigan before his injury.

One thing is certain, none can be so ineffective in the forwards as Lauaki was at times last season.

Hopefully, he'll have a better injury run than Chester did!

If Whiting does play 2nd row, how are we using him? Tickle and Westy will play 80 minutes a week, so he spells Manu for 20 minutes?

Westerman at 13?

I hope so!!

it is his best position in my opinion

No chance, Tickle will run the middle channel with Westy and Manu on the edges.

Tickle could also do a spell at prop and allow Whiting to slot in quite easily

that's just daft, Westerman is a totally different type of player to Tickle, if we play him at loose then Gentle's got some odd ideas.

Wouldn't want Whiting playing through the middle at all, but Tickle could go up to prop, I agree.

I'm still hopeful that the January signing will be a decent forward. Either a prop or a back row with Tickle moving up for a spell.

I don't think the type of player we need is going to be available for our budget in January, otherwise we'd have recruited them already, but it's going to be interesting to see if we sign anyone.

Eh? The club he's just come from play Heighington at 13. All Aussies play with a Tickle type player at 13.