Can’t see that being the case this time though

I think the players have nowhere to hide next season .

This time we have an experienced head coach who has been there and done that won things and managed the national side too. While Smith may still make some errors as nobody is perfect the power is with him this time.

Who are these players, are we saying they didn't try and if so did Hodgson keep selecting them?

For me it was the nucleus of predominantly Hull born players that I felt most let down by. Taylor, Shaul, Bowden, Griffin too.

Some of the efforts, or lack of, really stuck with me this season.

Shaul against Leeds at home.
Taylor against Cas at home
Griffin against Saints away

Bowden was anonymous for the last 2 seasons.

These are 4 senior players that should've been driving the standards. My feeling is they are the ones who've let this 'apathy culture' manifest.

I know Houghton gets some stick, he i got the feelibg he does try but he's well past his peak and shouldn't have been renewed.

I agree with that. It isn't a lack of effort from Houghton, it is more a lack of energy.

You need your senior players to drive the standards, and for me, Griffin and Taylor have abused this position, promoted apathy within the group, and this has filtered down to players like Lane, who had his worst season since breaking into the first team

If Houghton is used properly like how saints interchange Roby with Lussick then he could still add value to our team, it was Hodgsons reluctance to spell him that has led to his performances dropping off.

Very much agree. One thing Danny can't be accused of is lack of effort.
i've seen Lane is already back in the gym so hopefully a big pre season to come and back to his best next season.

Not getting too excited but imagine if Tony does a Rohan

Exactly, Hodgson made no improvements in 2 years, surley there should be some improvement. People keep saying that we need to get rid of loads of players, R Smith has proven that a good coach can get the best of out players. This is maybe why T Smith is looking at a clean slate for all players, maybe he thinks he can get the best out of the likes of Taylor

Tony is a good, experienced rugby coach so I'll trust the decisions he makes.

I do feel some tough decisions have to be made and I think we have a good enough personality in charge to make them.

I'm not expecting instant success but I do feel he can bring some pride back and put some roots in place for the years to come. Any success will be a bonus.

I think the coach after him can have the success if we get the right person. Smith isn't someone who sticks around at a club for too long but he knows his onions and is what we need right now.