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| I know it may only be talk so far from Andy Last as he's not been able to put the players through a game but I've been impressed in what he has said so far. Its clear he & Purtill have seen things that just haven't been working with the players and as such has said he is changing things but keeping it simple and understandable. I like the fact he wants each individual player to be responsible and know their role but also be responsible as a collective. I am quite excited to see what difference it has made to the the way we play with the changes he and Purtill have implemented so far.
He certainly sounds like he wants to have structure to their play both in defence and attack but also flair and support play which has been lacking for far too long. Hopefully Last & Purtill can deliver on that, also pleasing to hear him mention about the importance of improving and increasing our line speed in defence.
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| Quote: Chris71 "I know it may only be talk so far from Andy Last as he's not been able to put the players through a game but I've been impressed in what he has said so far. Its clear he & Purtill have seen things that just haven't been working with the players and as such has said he is changing things but keeping it simple and understandable. I like the fact he wants each individual player to be responsible and know their role but also be responsible as a collective. I am quite excited to see what difference it has made to the the way we play with the changes he and Purtill have implemented so far.
He certainly sounds like he wants to have structure to their play both in defence and attack but also flair and support play which has been lacking for far too long. Hopefully Last & Purtill can deliver on that, also pleasing to hear him mention about the importance of improving and increasing our line speed in defence.'"
Agree with you. Having seen the games yesterday it’s clear we will have to adopt
A different playing style.
If we don’t , then the 6 again restart will kill us.
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| Quote: Rocknrolla69er "Il simplify it
When Masi is fit he tends to be in the matchday squad over Brown, I've rarely seen them both named on the bench, if they have been I take it back, but you'd have to show me some stats to back it up. So it would be Brown replacing Matongo no need for another signing as you've put I t, that scenario doesn't even come into the equation. Props would be Taylor, Satae, Bowden, Brown, Savelio/Sao (if needed) Fash, and I'm sure another season on we d have more prospects coming through to supplement them
I'm saying I'd now move Brown above Masi for squad selection, as I've said I don't think Masi is assertive Enough, the stats back that up he has very low carry numbers when he does play.
I also don't think 10 games per season is the sign of a youngish prop who's pulling up trees. When you look at Partington and Bynre for example, there's no comparison.
Brown can be the type of player you've described rather than Masi as Brown offers more and in my eyes has the potential to be a prop who plays 15-20 games a season rather than an average of 10. And 10 not very busy games at that.
As for Savelio when he does play he looks brilliant. He produces the goods, he's also been at the club a lot shorter period than Matongo and has far more Ability, I agree he needs to be on the pitch more, so I'd give him the rest of this season to prove he can keep clear of injurys, if he's constantly injured again , he's another I'd release, as we seem to stockpile players who are injured way too much.
That's my opinion. I stand by it.'"
I pretty agree with you have wrote.
The only thing I dont agree with is the Masi appearances, I don't think it's fair to take an average over 5 years as the first two years he was 20/21 and was establishing himself in a superb pack (2016/17), probably the best in the league. I think it's a better indication yo to look at how many games ge played in 2018/19, which averages over 20.
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| Quote: Dave K. "I pretty agree with you have wrote.
The only thing I dont agree with is the Masi appearances, I don't think it's fair to take an average over 5 years as the first two years he was 20/21 and was establishing himself in a superb pack (2016/17), probably the best in the league. I think it's a better indication yo to look at how many games ge played in 2018/19, which averages over 20.'"
And he had a bad time last year, nothing to do with injuries, so missed a number of months.
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| Quote: Boardwalkempire2 "Agree with you. Having seen the games yesterday it’s clear we will have to adopt
A different playing style.
If we don’t , then the 6 again restart will kill us.'"
I agree but we do have athletic forwards and should be suited to this faster game
It looks to me that Albo will quite rightly get the 6 shirt and i hope we also go for speed and have Ratu on the wing.
One thing i would do is have Connor on the bench.Move Jamie Shaul to 9 if its not working for Houghton or he is given a rest and then move Connor to full back.
Shaul could be devastating in a new role at 9 and i can see clubs using faster elusive players in this role in the future.
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| To be fair I forgot about the time he had off due to a bereavement so maybe abit unfair me stating 10 game average over five years, I'd say he has to show something this season or I'd still let him go and have Brown given the game time.
Harsh as it is, that's just the nature of the beast.
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| If a teams discipline isn't great then the bigger lads will tire.
Best play smart and our props will be fine.
Can we play smart and keep the penalty count against us down
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| Quote: bonaire "I agree but we do have athletic forwards and should be suited to this faster game
It looks to me that Albo will quite rightly get the 6 shirt and i hope we also go for speed and have Ratu on the wing.
One thing i would do is have Connor on the bench.Move Jamie Shaul to 9 if its not working for Houghton or he is given a rest and then move Connor to full back.
Shaul could be devastating in a new role at 9 and i can see clubs using faster elusive players in this role in the future.'"
Shaul would get monstered at 9, expect to see him have plenty of dummy half runs though
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| Quote: MorningGlory23 "Shaul would get monstered at 9, expect to see him have plenty of dummy half runs though'"
Why?
Its now just another half back position.
Dummy half runs is exactly why he would be outstanding.
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| Quote: bonaire "Why?
Its now just another half back position.
Dummy half runs is exactly why he would be outstanding.'"
Then it's always been a half back position, hookers haven't been hookers for donkey's years (apart from the tackling, of course).
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| Quote: bonaire "Why?
Its now just another half back position.
Dummy half runs is exactly why he would be outstanding.'"
Disagree with that, hookers are 1 of the toughest and fittest players in the game
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| Quote: MorningGlory23 "Disagree with that, hookers are 1 of the toughest and fittest players in the game'"
I would agree with that looking back but i think the game has changed and clubs will now be looking for players with speed and elusive running.
I can see Darryl Clarke becoming the next hot property for the NRL.
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| Quote: Karen "Headingley will have been chosen as it has 2 complete sets of changing facilities at opposite ends of the ground meaning minimal to no contact between teams.'"
until the first tackle of course , lol
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| So what we hoping for from what hopefully will look like a new Hull FC team?
So far from the team since Radford left, we've heard about lack of professionalism and a cozy atmosphere where players weren't picked on merit.
Last and some of the senior players have made the right noises about putting right the wrongs.
I'm looking forward to Sunday so much and can't wait to see what Andy's team will look and perform like, now he's stepped out of Radford's shadow.
I hope we build on spontaneity in attack and massively improve on our defence which is the worst in the league.
I wish Andy the best of luck in staking a claim for the head coaches job
I hope to see the type of performance we first witnessed in round 1 and the team put in an 80 minute performance.
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| It will take a long time to step out of Radford's amateurish ill-disciplined shadow. He should have been fired in 2015 after those shocking first 2 seasons.
Anyway he's gone now. The only this is we will need a circuit breaker. Lasty is Radford is LAsty. They were a pair and I would love to see Lasty be successful but I feel if he had what it takes he'd have stepped up by now. Was he an enabler under LR?
I really would like to see a disciplined performance and DEFENCE at the forefront of our play. I was so glad to hear LAsty talk about the D
Defence is the barometer of any team. Always has been and always will be. Ask any NFL team. Similar concepts of the game.
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