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| Quote: Graham Richards "I strongly believe that our about turn in attacking play is mainly down to Leon and NOT LR or indeed RH. '"
Do you have any insider knowledge on this or is it purely a guess?
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| Quote: *1865* "What can James Webster bring, that Leon Pryce (who's won everything, twice, and reached a level far greater than JW ever did) can't?'"
5 years coaching experience?
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "Do you not think that by Pryce in conjunction with Radford with regard the attacking strategy and its formulation that the analysis by the person directly involved with its implementation on the pitch is actually a better thing with greater understanding of what is being asked if you are part of the detailed process right at the beginning?
That's not to say that Pryce becomes a coach but if his input and indeed that of playmakers at an earlier stage gives more clarity/greater understanding of the how and why one would expect a better end result if that plan has any merit.
I'm sure Pryce is intelligent enough & experienced enough to not cave under a bit of added responsibility off the pitch, that said that responsibility can fall to some quite young and inexperienced, people are different, some are massively quick learners and/or are natural leaders, others are slow burners, some just want to be workhorses with fewer tasks but can carry them out superbly.
Poor understanding/poor communication of your plan is one of the major downfalls to achieve a goal
Add into that not all young men are good listeners and indeed can find it difficult to transfer that information into what is exactly required at X situation and further be able to adopt that accurately/repeatedly in a pressure situation (of a game of professional RL in this instance) AND to have the mental strength to correct failings/adopt changes in real time with minimal outside help, force yourself on physically, trying to nullify effects on your job (from a negative POV) it is hardly surprising you have some horrible outcomes and some very one sided games that on paper shouldn't be.
Trusting your soldiers as well as being honest and open with them not only can win you a battle & possibly even a war but it also gains you a hell of a lot of respect and from that you have a far greater chance of success, it's a symbiotic relationship.'"
David Brent in the house.
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "Do you have any insider knowledge on this or is it purely a guess?'"
Guess - 1/10
Insider knowledge - 9/1
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| Quote: *1865* "What can James Webster bring, that Leon Pryce (who's won everything, twice, and reached a level far greater than JW ever did) can't?'"
Having only played RL at youth level so I maybe wrong, but as a player I was told to follow instructions and concentrate 100% on playing.
Webster would have to time to analyse performance and work with individuals on certain skills. As a player Pryce would put him own playing performances at risk if he starts concentrating on formulating team tactics. I am not suggesting for one moment that players shouldnt have some input, but I cannot recall any notible player manager / coaches in RL in the modern era.
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| Quote: *1865* "What can James Webster bring, that Leon Pryce (who's won everything, twice, and reached a level far greater than JW ever did) can't?'"
I can understand your point in one way, but at all levels players are coached by people who have won less. Can Pryce see everything thats going on from the angle he has on the pitch / training ground ?
I wonder how many Ozzies learn nothing from a second rate winger , yet he still seems to be in demand coaching wise
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| Quote: *1865* "What can James Webster bring, that Leon Pryce (who's won everything, twice, and reached a level far greater than JW ever did) can't?'"
Leon Pryce might be an absolutely awful coach and have no idea about how to get others to follow his lead.
Winning things and coaching others to win things are two totally different things, if they weren't then Diego Maradonna would have been the best football coach ever, he was rubbish. Tiger Woods would have no one to teach him how to play golf better etc.
Sean Long was a great halfback but seems to be finding coaching very difficult having been shipped around a lot.
I always thought JW would make a great coach, his collapse at Wakey was unfortunate and proved he still has a lot to learn media wise but I can see him being back in a head roll at some point.
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| Quote: dayvoz "David Brent in the house.'"
I don't think that comment was called for.
His point that it requires someone to take the analysis of the opposition and implement the gameplan based on this on the pitch is a valid one in my opinion.
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| Quote: dayvoz "David Brent in the house.'"
Typical dumb comment to a sensible post.
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| Webster did a great job at rovers when asked to takeover been he was only 25 at the time his middle 8s comments killed him at Wakefield he was right but shouldn't have said it
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| Quote: Lang Park "I don't think that comment was called for.
His point that it requires someone to take the analysis of the opposition and implement the gameplan based on this on the pitch is a valid one in my opinion.'"
Possibly, but you said it in one sentence.
Too many waffling management cliche's for me.
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| Ok, I'll put it another way, what can James Webster teach Leon Pryce? If he's to come in to help with last tackle plays etc?
If it's to overlook the whole attack of the team I'd rather someone with a better track record than Webster, or Cooke, or Goulding, or whoever else is flavour of the month with the fans.
Things are improving as they are nicely, don't see the point in appointing anyone mid-season unless you're 100% sure he'll make an instant and fundamental difference.
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| Quote: *1865* "Ok, I'll put it another way, what can James Webster teach Leon Pryce? If he's to come in to help with last tackle plays etc?
If it's to overlook the whole attack of the team I'd rather someone with a better track record than Webster, or Cooke, or Goulding, or whoever else is flavour of the month with the fans.
Things are improving as they are nicely, don't see the point in appointing anyone mid-season unless you're 100% sure he'll make an instant and fundamental difference.'"
agree 100%, was never a fan of Lee's appointment but recent results mean he deserves credit, Webster did nothing for Wakefield, what can Webster offer that Horne can't??
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| Quote: *1865* "Ok, I'll put it another way, what can James Webster teach Leon Pryce? If he's to come in to help with last tackle plays etc?
If it's to overlook the whole attack of the team I'd rather someone with a better track record than Webster, or Cooke, or Goulding, or whoever else is flavour of the month with the fans.
Things are improving as they are nicely, don't see the point in appointing anyone mid-season unless you're 100% sure he'll make an instant and fundamental difference.'"
Or what can Webster teach Sneyd, Abdull, HTW, and even Radford in relation to attacking play and formations. I'm not saying Webster (if he is coming) will add anything, only time will tell, but to dismiss it before he's got here is not on.
Based on what you say no one at the club is capable of coaching Pryce as not one person has the experience of Pryce at the club.
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| Quote: Skippy1975 "agree 100%, was never a fan of Lee's appointment but recent results mean he deserves credit, Webster did nothing for Wakefield, what can Webster offer that Horne can't??'"
Isn't some of Horne's time taken up with the academy?
As for an attacking coach, I don't imagine they'll come in and be expected to teach Leon & Sneyd how to do x,y & z better. Saying that, a player is always capable of improvement.
I see it more that they'd be the ones studying opposition weaknesses, work with the halfbacks on set plays & how to exploit those weaknesses, working one on one with non halfback players on how to improve their own weaknesses, general game management, last tackle options, stuff like that. Basically taking some of the burden off the halfbacks & Radford.
Whether Webster is the man to do that, none of us really know. His playing record has little to do with it, and I wouldn't read into his time with Wakey too much either, their squad/resources he had to work with are that poor.
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