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| Quote: Sandra The Terrorist "I have a vision of Mike in a thirteen year old BMW 7 series full of empty bottles of Dr. Pepper, packets of Lambert and Butler and Frazzles.
Both of the them singing along to Johnny Cash and Mike getting his card declined at the motorway services.'"
Excellent imagery, my friend, but imagine the smell. Heater stuck on full so nylon anorak perspiration, cigs, turkey curry and Frazzle farts catalysed by carbonated beverage with a top note of stale Insignia (from Xmas box set, matching deodorant and aftershave "for one all-over smell"icon_wink.gif
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "I'm not that upbeat about the season coming, but merely clarifying that any suggestion right now that bragging rights are anything other than west of the river is pure delusion. 2014 will be totally different, Mike Smith has pledged that himself, that's good enough for me.
RBA said that Heil would be an imminent Challenge Cup winner I remember, but his form in the overstatement of Rovers potential in the academy arena is world class.'"
Your bragging rights are slightly skewed, rovers academy is the only one to produce a gf winner in the last 7 years, little consolation to us tho..
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| Quote: barham red "Your bragging rights are slightly skewed, rovers academy is the only one to produce a gf winner in the last 7 years, little consolation to us tho..'"
Ah, the golden era of Morgan, his 4th place finish and ownership of FC in derbies. How you must miss him.
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "Ah, the golden era of Morgan, his 4th place finish and ownership of FC in derbies. How you must miss him.'"
Not really, still won sod all. Standard of rugby in hull is e and dont see it changing soon. Any player with ambition will move west.
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| Quote: barham red "Not really, still won sod all. Standard of rugby in hull is poop and dont see it changing soon. Any player with ambition will move west.'"
2014 is Rovers' year. Do keep up, you miserable so-and-so.
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| Quote: Dave K. "This only been in SL for 7 years from Rovers fans is getting old, how many more years are they going to pedal this out. They will never improve if they keep signing players Like the PNG players in positions they have young players.
One area that gas been vastly neglected by NH, no coincidence that Rovers and Salford are the only 2 teams in SL not to have one player in any of the England academy squads, even Cumbria academy and north east academy who neither are in SL have any players in it.
Lets not forget that in 2007 when they came up all clubs were equal with the salary cap unlike when we came up!
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "Excellent imagery, my friend, but imagine the smell. Heater stuck on full so nylon anorak perspiration, cigs, turkey curry and Frazzle farts catalysed by carbonated beverage with a top note of stale Insignia (from Xmas box set, matching deodorant and aftershave "for one all-over smell"icon_wink.gif
That's one of those "can't be unseen" posts
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| Quote: Dave K. "This only been in SL for 7 years from Rovers fans is getting old, how many more years are they going to pedal this out. They will never improve if they keep signing players Like the PNG players in positions they have young players.
One area that gas been vastly neglected by NH, no coincidence that Rovers and Salford are the only 2 teams in SL not to have one player in any of the England academy squads, even Cumbria academy and north east academy who neither are in SL have any players in it.
We shouldn't pedal it out. In part, because the farce of licensing means there is no need for a moral justification, and as a political ploy, we're better focussing on the positives, even if they're a tiny bit on the meagre side.
If we're looking at just the SL-era development pathway, as a start-from-scratch launch pad, I accept that the likes of Welham, Mariano and Beaumont can't be used in evidence for the defence. Players now 24 and under, who started to make an impact ~2010 and later (it was always going to take 2 or 3 years), would seem a reasonable sample. Those that have played more than a couple of games - Watts, Taylor, Sam Latus, Cox, Salter. To a lesser degree Sheriff, Peterson, James Green and Ollet. A trickle over 4 seasons, frankly, and we've not retained most of them, their career trajectories taking them in different directions.
The RFL has effectively moved from being scrutineer to scrutinised, so other than as political bargaining chips, I see no great value in their assessments at the moment. But it is obvious that we won't improve without a better pipeline of talent (and the ability to retain a good proportion of the best of them, which creates a tension where resources are limited). The last couple of years hasn't given us the number of homegrown SL-quality players we'd hope to see emerging. But failures yield lessons - you try to learn them, adjust and roll out phrases like 'moving forward'.
I've noticed over about 3 or 4 years that we don't get any players in the youth age-group teams. Our junior teams seem to be middling rather than abysmal in terms of their results, so while I wouldn't expect many, our consistent failure to get any in has struck me as a bit odd. My concern is that it has become a self-fulfilling cycle - players realise they're more likely to get recognition elsewhere, so that's where the best go. We need to up our game significantly, and I'd include cultivating relationships with the people who pick these squads, as one priority. Which is cynical and probably paranoid, but harmless at worst.
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| had the makings of a good thread this one, until about the time deslawson stepped in - oh well
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| On youth development the scrapping of the A teams was wrong in my opinion it served a number of purposes
1) To help a player who has been injured to get some game time before re- introduction into first team.
2) Helped develop young kids after the age of nineteen who develop at a later stage.
3) Allows promising young kids to learn the game before being thrown in at the deep end.
Once a kid gets past nineteen and has not made it into the first team then they are lost to the game.
It is not possible to have a team full of local lads and expect them to be winning cups if you base the latter on success.
What has been disappointing for me is that the local lads that have made it to first team have not stayed with for one reason or another ,when offers come in for these kids regardless of what team then the club should be able to retain these kids.
We should be asking in Hull why we cannot develop a 6 or 7 and gave to rely on imports.
As for the RFL any outfit that cannot attract a major sponsor and gives away the product for free should be held accountable for their actions and possibly be given a vote of no confidence.
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "Yeah, but they made a fortune charging £5 to watch him train. At least 4 people turned up.
Plus 5000 cardboard cut outs!
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| Quote: cofr_rockin_robin "On youth development the scrapping of the A teams was wrong in my opinion it served a number of purposes
1) To help a player who has been injured to get some game time before re- introduction into first team.
2) Helped develop young kids after the age of nineteen who develop at a later stage.
3) Allows promising young kids to learn the game before being thrown in at the deep end.
Once a kid gets past nineteen and has not made it into the first team then they are lost to the game.
It is not possible to have a team full of local lads and expect them to be winning cups if you base the latter on success.
What has been disappointing for me is that the local lads that have made it to first team have not stayed with for one reason or another ,when offers come in for these kids regardless of what team then the club should be able to retain these kids.
We should be asking in Hull why we cannot develop a 6 or 7 and gave to rely on imports.
As for the RFL any outfit that cannot attract a major sponsor and gives away the product for free should be held accountable for their actions and possibly be given a vote of no confidence.'"
Agree on the A team 100%.
ps you forget Tommy Lee
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| Quote: hull smallears "Agree on the A team 100%.
ps you forget Tommy Lee
Ah Tommy 'I Speak about myself in the third person' Lee.
Apart from Horne and Cooke, I can't remember the last one from Hull. I think Rovers last decent one (played in top division) was Wayne Parker iirc.
Lets hope this Tyson-Wilson kid is as good as people are making out.
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| This post is supposed to be about the state of the game imo hudge has brought the state of the game to the fore, its not about who has made the worst signing or who has lost the most money. If you listen to most rl chairman the benchmark loss is 500 k per season so all teams lose roughly the same amount and this obviously can't go on. The rl need to up their game get sponsors and stop favouring the so called top four and letting them use next years and the years after that salary cap to get in top players i.e. Warrington in the last few seasons, this is short sighted and only makes the other clubs copy them because if they don't they cannot compete wasn't the salary cap brought in to stop the so called top four dominating the game, I can see the current sl in years to come reverting to semi pro because of no money.
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| But surely as a chairman directly involved in setting a "benchmark" loss of £500K, Hudgell is part of the problem and not the solution?
Is he hoping somehow that people don't notice this huge inconsistency and therefore why should we take his self serving views seriously?
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