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| Quote: Ferdy "Well 2 big clubs wire and Wigan.
There may be more clubs apposed to the RFL ideas than the 6 that walked out. They just chose not to throw a tantrum and strop out favoring staying and trying to sort the issues out?'"
Warrington big club they went in a taxi to the grand final
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| Quote: ChrisH ""I have been attending Super League meetings for 17 years and I have never seen anything like this before"
G Hetherington
And look where those 17 years have got us! Without a change of hierarchy at Redhall and some fresh commercial ideas from suitably qualified people we'll be lucky to see another 7 years of our great (on the field) game. How the RFL believe that they can persuade people like AP and Hudgell and the like to invest their own money into SL when the game is managed by parochial amateurs who seem unable to organise a p1ss up in a brewery never mind get sponsorship from one is beyond me. Clearly these guys have had enough and there'll be little chance of getting any more of their type involved unless something changes.'"
Quite.
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| Quote: fcandy "Interesting point to note that the 6 bottom clubs in SL in 2013, who did not walk out of the meeting last night, all have debts with the RFL that could be called in at short notice. I wonder if that swayed their decision somewhat? Leeds didn’t walk out as it’s clear their chairmen is after the RFL top job in the future. Puzzled as to why saints didn’t walk too?'"
Think you've hit it there. And, as others have said, Saints are the mysterious anomoly.
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| Quote: Sheldon "What money have we pumped into Catalans? Or for that matter London?
We did compete nationally and internationally for a long time, why should we give up now?'"
TV money?? do you like being obtuse or what?
The vast amount of money that London in their various guises have had over the years has being a complete waste in a vain attempt to 'spread the word' in the capital. No one can possibly deny that.
since Union went Pro they have only gone one way, up, where as RL in the same time has declined due to bad management and un-realistic ambitions.
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| Quote: WormInHand "Agree about Hetherington's motives. I distrust him and Kath increasingly and now even view their saving of Hull (grateful as I was) as a shunt up the slippery pole to greater influence within the RFL by the controlling of not one but two SL clubs.
The only unfathomable is Saints and I await that statement with great interest.
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| Quote: Large Paws "How about a 12 team SL with 1 up 1 down P & R.
A 5 team play-off to decide the champions, with the league leaders qualifying for the grand final and 2,3,4 & 5 play-off to meet them. Gives more incentive, and meaning to topping the league.
Then along side that, 11 plays 12, with the loser playing the winner of the championship grand final, in a play-off for the 12th spot in SL. Would mean a few less dead rubbers.
P & R play-off could be played as part of a double header on Grand Final day.'"
Problem with that is the big difference in salary cap. How often would you expect the Championship side to win? Not really promotion & relegation then, if that's what you want.
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| Quote: VerbalKint "
People may think I am old fashioned but ive always believed we should protect what we have otherwise the game will die.
We will NEVER compete nationally or internationally with the ra ra boys and the sooner we accept that the better. People in London and the South are not and never will be interested in RL. I for one would rather us see us playing Leeds, Wigan, Cas, teams and fans with passion and real love of the game than London Catalan.'"
Could apply most of what you said to the a London club, but Catalan put heartland clubs to shame with crowds, passion and bringing through local players, especially the likes of Salford and Wakey, and after there initial season have competed very well on the pitch too. If you just don't like the French or the idea of having to travel there etc that's fair enough, can hardly call them a failure though, if so Hull and Rovers are failures, don't win anything, poor atmospheres especially in our case, and further out then most of the clubs in West Yorkshire or Lancashire.
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| Quote: carl_spackler "Problem with that is the big difference in salary cap. How often would you expect the Championship side to win? Not really promotion & relegation then, if that's what you want.'" Yep.
It will be the same normal 8 in the SL playoffs as they will be able to start to recruit earlier as they will know they are in SL the following year, then you will have 8 teams in the second playoff group that will be so unbalanced that there will probably be at least 1 battering a week. Add to that another playoff group that will again be unbalanaced so batterings all around in this one as well.
If you were to write down a league structure that is god awful I doubt you could write a worst one then above.
Some still won't have it that the RFL are useless though.
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| Quote: VerbalKint "TV money?? do you like being obtuse or what?
The vast amount of money that London in their various guises have had over the years has being a complete waste in a vain attempt to 'spread the word' in the capital. No one can possibly deny that.
since Union went Pro they have only gone one way, up, where as RL in the same time has declined due to bad management and un-realistic ambitions.'"
Do you not think those might be linked and that everything is not only down to bad management?
There's a difference between handouts and monetary reward for services rendered. The way you talk is as if you think London and Catalan are wrongly taking money away from others, when TV money is simply them being apportioned their fair and agreed upon share. Now you might not agree that they have given fair return for that money, but firstly that's beside the point, and secondly absolute codswallop if you're applying it to Catalan. Catalan are a great success and an asset to SL, pretending otherwise is just stubborn and/or misguided.
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| Quote: Carmine Galante "Could apply most of what you said to the a London club, but Catalan put heartland clubs to shame with crowds, passion and bringing through local players, especially the likes of Salford and Wakey, and after there initial season have competed very well on the pitch too. If you just don't like the French or the idea of having to travel there etc that's fair enough, can hardly call them a failure though, if so Hull and Rovers are failures, don't win anything, poor atmospheres especially in our case, and further out then most of the clubs in West Yorkshire or Lancashire.'"
Agreed. France's world cup squad is a great endorsement of Catalan. It looks pretty strong and only contains one player who hasn't played for them at some point (Fages at Salford). It also contains only one antipodean, which is less than Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Italy, and USA, and the same amount as us.
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| Quote: carl_spackler "Problem with that is the big difference in salary cap. How often would you expect the Championship side to win? Not really promotion & relegation then, if that's what you want.'"
No, it's not, but it is a compromise, and like I said, it maintains an interest at the bottom of SL. FWIW I would like to see P & R.
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| like the idea of p and r, whatever happens something needs to be sorted,
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| The trouble is, thanks in part to Sky, 2 or 3 footballers earn more in a season than the whole of Superleague.
There just isn't enough money around to create a fair and realistic structure.
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| Quote: fcandy "Interesting point to note that the 6 bottom clubs in SL in 2013, who did not walk out of the meeting last night, all have debts with the RFL that could be called in at short notice. I wonder if that swayed their decision somewhat? Leeds didn’t walk out as it’s clear their chairmen is after the RFL top job in the future. Puzzled as to why saints didn’t walk too?'"
Agree..Hetherington has had his hand in Red Halls pocket for years, and I can't help thinking that the reason he never walked out with the six is because he has his own agenda on the matter.
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| Quote: Anakin Skywalker "As one of your posters stated on the Wigan forum of the other clubs IIRC Bradford, Salford, Cas and London all owe monies to the RFL.
The only unfathomable is Saints and I await that statement with great interest.'"
FYI. Cas owe nothing to the RFL but contempt for relegating us twice , once on the back of the French being exempt and the other time on the back of wigans blatant cheating of the SC
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