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| Quote: east hull FC fan "It depends, what do you think an oxymoron is?'"
Someone stupidly typing that they're incapable of stupidity? Is your genius in English or something useful? |
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| Quote: hull2524 "ok ive bit ,whats an oxymoron'"
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| Quote: Staffs FC "I don't think we were dominated in the ruck we just lost the ball too much. Miller had a poor game although it wasn't for the want of trying. Horne was continuously our biggest attacking threat until he got injured although I have no problem with his non-selection due to lack of fitness. That said before the game many on here were happy to see Crooks selected but not Horne on the basis of his fitness which seemed a bit odd. Whether he would have changed anything had he played is pure conjecture - I tend to think that he would have offered a more direct running threat. Whilst I'm a fan of Whiting as a sub he continues to be our most (only) creative forward and proved again yesterday that he can win attacking collisions and offload to supporting players. I'm not sure he can do the minutes Westerman does so maybe bench is the only option however he causes defences problems and maybe we need a bit less graft and a bit more craft.'"
I'm not sure about that, and even if so it's still not that odd. As I said before the game, we have 2 fit halfbacks and a fit fullback, we don’t have another fit centre, so it was a case of having to gamble on Crooks, not being happy to. The only other option would have been to play Whiting there, which would have made our pack even worse. Had Arundel been ok I’d have gone with him, personally.
What I didn't expect was that Crooks would forget how to catch a ball in his absence. |
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| Quote: cod'ead "I think Westerman could cause problems to defences, unfortunately we appear to have coached his ballhandling skills out of him and prefer him to act as a 3rd prop. I'm sick of seeing players like Westy and Ellis just donkeying the ball up, it's a waste'"
Agree about that. I'm also sick of seeing us continually tee Westerman and Tickle up for crash balls at the line no matter what the conditions or how often they drop it. After a certain point it's not just their fault. |
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| Quote: east hull FC fan "I'm a massive fan of Westerman, but not at 13. Think Gentle feels he needs Tickle on the pitch for goal kicking, so Westy gets shoved in the middle.'"
With what we have signed up for next year, I'd personally go with Ellis & Westerman in the 2nd row, Pitts at loose, and Whiting on the bench. |
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| Quote: pmarrow "Our pack is the problem IMO, they get beaten too easy and have a way too slow PTB. They offer little in offloads and when they do its when they don't need to.
It takes a full backline to produce tries though and plenty of other teams score without there halfbacks creating tries.
I'm just hoping there is some sort of long term masterplan on the cards.'"
That's been our problem for the last 5 years. I've said it before, if a coach could crack that for us we'd make more progress from that one improvement than all others possible combined. |
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The truth is that Gentle selected the team that most people on here last week wanted him to pick.
Most people were excited at the prospect of Crooks returning
Not many people wanted Horne to play.
Nearly everyone thought that Shaul should play FB and that Miller and Holdsworth should be the halves.
Hardly anyone said Green should be in the 17.
It was the right team and a good enough team to win but the players failed to deliver.
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| Quote: Diogenes "The truth is that Gentle selected the team that most people on here last week wanted him to pick.
Most people were excited at the prospect of Crooks returning
Not many people wanted Horne to play.
Nearly everyone thought that Shaul should play FB and that Miller and Holdsworth should be the halves.
Hardly anyone said Green should be in the 17.
It was the right team and a good enough team to win but the players failed to deliver.'"
Agree 100%.
I think Saturday was the closest I've ever been to 'can't blame the coach for that one'. He was let down badly, and not just by one or two, or just the kids, there were established pros out there who just weren't good enough on the day. |
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| Quote: @airlie_bird "Having seen us play in every final since 1979 I can honestly say that was our worst performance in a final in all that time. (I might argue that a 2nd div play off at OT against Huddersfield was on a par but we had achieved our goal that year) As a result there is bound to be a lot of soul searching going on.
Bottom line is we would have taken a Wembley final at the start of the season. Unfortunately since last November we have had a world class half mickey us around only to take big bucks in Oz. (yes we may have been a little green thinking he would come, but none of us knew exactly how negotiations went so we can't comment) We have not had a settled half back pairing as a result of that and injuries all season.
Horne is regularly out for about two months a season and however well he was playing when in the team (and he was by far and away our best player) it was inevitable that he would be out soon enough.
We are then left scratching around for a replacement. Miller whilst potentially being the answer is simply that "potentially". He is 21 now and finding his feet in a foreign country away from home and trying to gel with a new team and more importantly Holdsworth who has also been injured a lot of the time.
Now not one of us on here raised doubts about their ability when we were beating Warrington again. If you did then stick a link on here. I have no doubt that this season is now virtually over but come February when these two have had a full PRE season under their belt and I predict vast improvements in their ability to work together for the good of the team. Then we will have the problem of keeping hold of them as the NRL beckons again. But that's for another day.
As for the pack well we can argue about size. PG wants a mobile pack that can do big minutes. We appear to be losing some experience this season. I hope Lynch does not go but if he does well we will move on. I have seen arguments about next seasons pack but what people are failing to mention is that Watts Pitts Westy Green etc are all a year old in terms of experience. They will continue to improve. Have a little faith in them. We have seen enough of them to know that they have what it takes at SL level. What we need is consistency.
The backs are showing signs that they can be exceptional. The jury for me is still out on Crookes but the rest I am confident in. Arundel seems a natural successor to Yeaman and I expect him to be playing more than Yeamo next year providing they are all fit. Briscoe is a loss so I would be looking for a decent replacement for him. The fight between Shaul and Shannon will be good next year. Shaul maybe accommodated on the wing for periods. Who knows.
All in all we ARE moving in the right direction from where we were under Agar. Still not 100% sure PG will take us all the way or if we need someone with a little but of the X factor to come in and kick us on. But who that is lord only knows.
All good sides over the many years I have watched RL are built on a solid foundation of defence. We have that foundation. We now need the off season to kick on from basic attack. We have seen evidence recently of that side improving Whitings try in the semi was an example. It all takes time.
So yes its time for soul searching especially after such a poor performance on a big stage, but lets not be aggressive and abusive about it. Take a step back a deep breath and stand tall and proud together. Rome as was said was not built in a day.
Yes examples of vast improvement have been seen t other clubs. Wigan under McGuire but come on Kath and co ran us into the ground. It will take more than a few quid to get over night success.'"
Well said  Excellent post. |
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| Quote: carl_spackler "Agree 100%.
I think Saturday was the closest I've ever been to 'can't blame the coach for that one'. He was let down badly, and not just by one or two, or just the kids, there were established pros out there who just weren't good enough on the day.'"
Same here , Gentle looked lost for words at that shambles after the game , Also we never seem to just have one player making these errors , It's right across the board . |
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| Quote: B0NES "Same here , Gentle looked lost for words at that shambles after the game , Also we never seem to just have one player making these errors , It's right across the board .'"
Its because we're a close knit team. Great together and sh*t together. |
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| Quote: Hessle Roader "Its because we're a close knit team. Great together and sh*t together.'"
Sadly, rather too much of the latter and not enough of the former this season. |
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| Quote: Rock God X "Sadly, rather too much of the latter and not enough of the former this season.'"
Ain't that the truth!! |
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