I think what I'm alluding to with Dykes is, win ratios aside (which, as we know, don't tell the whole story), he had a look of inventiveness about him. There was a feeling when he got the ball that something good might happen. He was playing in a rubbish side, under a rubbish coach and could hardly string two games together, but the underlying class was there. Seymour doesn't have that, IMO. He's a decent, steady player, but he'll never be anything more than that. I think most of the players you mentioned earlier add more than he does to their respective sides. Myler and Lomax, for example, at least have a running game. That said, I do take the point that a class stand off alongside him would make the world of difference. The only challenge is finding such an animal.

Whilst I can agree that you could see an element of class in Dykes, I just think you're being overly critical of Seymour. It's worth noting that over the past few games we have largely gone away from committing runners as we had started to earlier in the season, so a fair bit of the time Seymour hasn't actually had much of a decision to make but is being criticised for taking the wrong options. If he had more than one player waiting to receive the ball most of the time I'd think this criticism was more valid.

Also, it wasn't actually me who brought up Myler and Lomax etc. If you want my opinion though, Myler has nothing other than a running game as a halfback, he is no more than a poor man's Danny McGuire. In a straight choice between the 2 I would take Seymour every time without hesitation.

are you in the pub by any chance

Deffo in the pub

Careful now you will be saying you want hookers to actually hook the ball soon .....
also the 80s were a boom time for FC fans hence why we look back with tearful eyes upon a time we mastered the planet however as a game it is now faster, fitter , FAR more flowing and altoghter a better game than it was 20 some years ago , Jesus christ Charlie stone makes Radford look like hussein bolt FFS
as for Brett, he is a class act in a team struggling for confidence presently and going through its down patch as all teams do at some point in the season nothing more, he has in fact led the team from the front many times and looks a class act but agreed does need Horne to retire or move or do something other than play at present and I am a big fan of Hornes but he has recently looked a shadow of his former self, dont get why we have not fired whiting back in the halves again????

I didn't wish to be. As I said, I think he's a good player. He's just not got that extra something to lift him beyond good. On the other thread, you said yourself that you're not totally convinced he's worth retaining, so you must agree to an large extent, no?



I haven't mentioned him taking wrong options, though. I don't think he has particularly. I just think he's good in defence (the Washbrook incident aside), ok in attack without pulling up trees, and his kicking game is a bit hit and miss. He's undoubtedly an improvement on having better halfbacks that only play half as many games, but I'm not convinced that'll be enough. I like a halfback who can create something from nothing every once in a while. Maybe if we have someone like that playing alongside him, things will look up.



Depends who they're playing alongside, I suppose. I think Myler gets a lot of unwarranted criticism, too.

I don't rate Myler at all but oddly I actually think he would probably be a good partner for Seymour. Not that I would want him.

My stance has always been that 'good' is enough in one of your halfbacks. The reason I wouldn't definitely say I'd keep him is because I want to see him with decent partner first. ATM I don't have a problem with him and wouldn't be looking to get rid.



I strongly agree with the last 2 sentences.



I just think Myler is pants. If he wasn't in such a good side where he can feed off the breaks of others I don't see what he has to offer.

seymour for me has stood out in the last few weeks hes been our only point of attack and should not have to do it himself we have horne and ellis and neither of them are good enough to take us further it gets to hands and is to predictable quicker hands and we would of scored atleast 2 more tries against st helens and wakey and ultimatly won the games the play slows down everytime it gets to horne or ellis
id take chase in a heartbeat quick hands a step and fast and a good short kicking game not as good as benji but hes superleagues benji and gentle would love having him here imo

He seems to have a habit of getting himself into the right positions to feed off the breaks of others, though. That's what a good half back should do. There were a couple of instances yesterday where we made half breaks and better backing up might have resulted in something more than the move simply breaking down. It's probably fruitless comparing him to Seymour, however, as their styles are wildly differing. Wire are fortunate to have Briers and Monaghan in the same side, both of whom are more creative than anyone we have. If Myler is successful in feeding off that creativity, he's doing his job, IMO.

Think he's done quite well, his kicking game is inconsistent but overall have being impressed. needs a regular partner with him and full back joining the line.

It is one of the things a good half back should do, just as it’s one of the things any good fullback, 3/4, and hooker should do. I think it’s a strange inconsistency to say you want a halfback to be able to create something out of nothing and then hold Myler up as offering more than Seymour, as I personally have only ever really seen him feed off the work/mistakes of others. He ‘creates’ very little, but he does exploit very well.

I don't think he'd be any better than Seymour at the creative side, don't get me wrong. I just think that the other aspects of his attacking game (his running and backing up) are a little better. In truth, neither would be the answer as the main playmaker. We need someone else for that. No inconsistencies here.

Useless having a 7 who can't play when his stand off partner isn't available isn't it