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| Quote: Seventies red "I have friends who work for BA and after been made redundant twice in the early 2000 as well as when i was younger, i do know only to well the feeling of despair and depression they will be feeling right now.
there is more than one single reason for the current situation but it must be pointed out tht the last labour Government has to take a large slice of the blame, they over spent on defence contracts over a number of years and left the MOD with a 38 billion black hole in the defence budget, two examples of such overspending were. An extra £2.7bn on the RAF's Typhoon fighter jets, after it was decided to buy 16 more aircraft to meet the UK's contractual obligations under the four-nation Eurofighter programme with Germany, Italy and Spain and £767m on the Royal Navy's two planned new aircraft carriers.
With regards to someone in an earlier post who blamed the cuts, they like many people dont appear to be able to grasp the extent of the current debt situation in the UK.
When Labour left power in 2010 it left behind a budget deficit of around 1 trillion pounds, approx about 71.3% of GDP and rising at an alarming rate, in fact it was second largest budget deficit of the G7 and the fourth highest of the 26 industrial countries .
Much of this was basicaly down to Gordon brown and his Govt borrowing and spending more than what the country was taking in tax revenues etc, something they were guilty of from the day they took office and also during their previous term in the seventies, if this had carried on as gordon Brown intended, had he remained in power, we would now probably be in the same boat as The USA and Italy who have recently lost their triple AAA ratings and face higher interest rates as a result.
No one likes to have less than what they have been used to in the past but the truth is we dont have any choice, including me, i currently run my own small retail busines and the future is uncertain, i have had to slash my margins considerably to stay in competition with the rest and its getting harder.
Its a hard world out there at the moment and it aint going to get much better for a while yet imo.'"
Before pontificating in future, perhaps you'd better aquaint yourself with the definition of budget deficit
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| Quote: Bal "I think you may have ever so slightly swallowed the tabloids pill.'"
I don't read the tabloids pal. You need to take your red spex off and see what's really happening in this country
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| Quote: kathy kirk "Indeed he has - please enlighted us Jake as to how/ what your business is and how many you employ on I am sure minimum wage - Newsagents, Sweet shop,painter decorator?? - It is certainly not in the Hundreds/thousands I am sure.'"
You're right kath, it's not in the 100's and times are tough but I'd rather not discuss my personal situation in a public forum
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| Quote: Seventies red "I have friends who work for BA and after been made redundant twice in the early 2000 as well as when i was younger, i do know only to well the feeling of despair and depression they will be feeling right now.
there is more than one single reason for the current situation but it must be pointed out tht the last labour Government has to take a large slice of the blame, they over spent on defence contracts over a number of years and left the MOD with a 38 billion black hole in the defence budget, two examples of such overspending were. An extra £2.7bn on the RAF's Typhoon fighter jets, after it was decided to buy 16 more aircraft to meet the UK's contractual obligations under the four-nation Eurofighter programme with Germany, Italy and Spain and £767m on the Royal Navy's two planned new aircraft carriers.
With regards to someone in an earlier post who blamed the cuts, they like many people dont appear to be able to grasp the extent of the current debt situation in the UK.
When Labour left power in 2010 it left behind a budget deficit of around 1 trillion pounds, approx about 71.3% of GDP and rising at an alarming rate, in fact it was second largest budget deficit of the G7 and the fourth highest of the 26 industrial countries .
Much of this was basicaly down to Gordon brown and his Govt borrowing and spending more than what the country was taking in tax revenues etc, something they were guilty of from the day they took office and also during their previous term in the seventies, if this had carried on as gordon Brown intended, had he remained in power, we would now probably be in the same boat as The USA and Italy who have recently lost their triple AAA ratings and face higher interest rates as a result.
No one likes to have less than what they have been used to in the past but the truth is we dont have any choice, including me, i currently run my own small retail busines and the future is uncertain, i have had to slash my margins considerably to stay in competition with the rest and its getting harder.
Its a hard world out there at the moment and it aint going to get much better for a while yet imo.'"
You're talking rubbish mate. Evrything is fine and it's just those pesky tory supporting newspapers making things up
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "Unfortunately, it's a sad indictment on the state of the British manufacturing industry when only the Japanese can make the British workers productive enough'"
You might want to have a think about why that is and where the problem in British manufacturing largely lies.
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| Quote: Seventies red "there is more than one single reason for the current situation but it must be pointed out tht the last labour Government has to take a large slice of the blame, they over spent on defence contracts over a number of years and left the MOD with a 38 billion black hole in the defence budget'"
Governments of every political persuasion have overspent on defence contracts for decades if not longer. The MOD has been seen as a soft touch by private contractors for as long as I can remember, and has been utterly unable to run defence contracts competently or anywhere near close to budget.
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| Quote: Kosh "You might want to have a think about why that is and where the problem in British manufacturing largely lies.'"
A failure to modernise, invest and innovate over many decades
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| I'm really sorry for anyone losing their job at any time and I wish you all luck in finding something new.
I would say that there will be many more casualties over the next few years as the coalition actually try to do something to sort out the mess that successive governments (yes, including Thatcher) have put this country in. I'm worried it's too late for the western world.
"Property-related borrowing and lending between financial institutions helped the collected debt of households, businesses and government balloon from roughly twice gross domestic product (GDP) in 1987 to around 5.4 times by 2009, when total debt stood at £7.5 trillion, according to the report.
Despite government austerity measures, the firm's latest economic outlook sees the UK's debt to GDP ratio sticking near historic highs as borrowing hits £10.2 trillion by 2015.
But if the economy does not perform as well as expected, one plausible alternative scenario could still see the debt burden soar as high as 5.8 times of GDP, the report said."
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| Quote: downtheante "I'm really sorry for anyone losing their job at any time and I wish you all luck in finding something new.
I would say that there will be many more casualties over the next few years as the coalition actually try to do something to sort out the mess that successive governments (yes, including Thatcher) have put this country in. I'm worried it's too late for the western world.
"Property-related borrowing and lending between financial institutions helped the collected debt of households, businesses and government balloon from roughly twice gross domestic product (GDP) in 1987 to around 5.4 times by 2009, when total debt stood at £7.5 trillion, according to the report.
Despite government austerity measures, the firm's latest economic outlook sees the UK's debt to GDP ratio sticking near historic highs as borrowing hits £10.2 trillion by 2015.
But if the economy does not perform as well as expected, one plausible alternative scenario could still see the debt burden soar as high as 5.8 times of GDP, the report said."
from rllinkrl'"
We constantly hear how the country is trillions in debt, looking at the news the whole of Europe seems to be in a worse state than us, Africa is in debt too add to that the US is massively in debt. The banks are running at the point of breaking and the stock exchanges are crashing daily...
Quick question, who is this money owed too? If nearly all countries and financial institutions are broke someone must be coining it in, who??
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| Quote: barham red "We constantly hear how the country is trillions in debt, looking at the news the whole of Europe seems to be in a worse state than us, Africa is in debt too add to that the US is massively in debt. The banks are running at the point of breaking and the stock exchanges are crashing daily...
Quick question, who is this money owed too? If nearly all countries and financial institutions are broke someone must be coining it in, who??'"
rllinkrl
quite an interesting article
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| Quote: cod'ead "Before pontificating in future, perhaps you'd better aquaint yourself with the definition of budget deficit'"
Well unless the definition has changed, or i have missunderstood it all these years, ( it is the amount by which a government, company, or individual's spending exceeds its income via taxes etc over a particular period of time. It may also be called deficit or deficit spending.
In fact The UK now has the third largest budget deficit in Europe, according to the recently published EU’s official league table.
In Labours case this was because, Clearly spending was too high(or taxes to low, god forbid). which is what i said in my post however, i do stand to be corrected if i'm wrong.
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| Quote: barham red "We constantly hear how the country is trillions in debt, looking at the news the whole of Europe seems to be in a worse state than us, Africa is in debt too add to that the US is massively in debt. The banks are running at the point of breaking and the stock exchanges are crashing daily...
Quick question, who is this money owed too? If nearly all countries and financial institutions are broke someone must be coining it in, who??'"
Wonga.com??
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| Quote: Seventies red "Well unless the definition has changed, or i have missunderstood it all these years, ( it is the amount by which a government, company, or individual's spending exceeds its income via taxes etc over a particular period of time. It may also be called deficit or deficit spending.
In fact The UK now has the third largest budget deficit in Europe, according to the recently published EU’s official league table.
In Labours case this was because, Clearly spending was too high(or taxes to low, god forbid). which is what i said in my post however, i do stand to be corrected if i'm wrong.'"
Your figures are wrong, so wrong, the budget deficit has never approached £1 trillion, the 2010 figures show a deficit of £148 billions, around 1/7th of £1 trillion. That figure takes into account money to bail out the banks that caused the mess. Look at the spreadsheet and you'll see that Labour actually reduced the deficit that the previous administration left them and prior to 2008 a deficit of 44% of GDP was easily manageable
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Quote: cod'ead "Your figures are wrong, so wrong, the budget deficit has never approached £1 trillion, the 2010 figures show a deficit of £148 billions, around 1/7th of £1 trillion. That figure takes into account money to bail out the banks that caused the mess. Look at the spreadsheet and you'll see that Labour actually reduced the deficit that the previous administration left them and prior to 2008 a deficit of 44% of GDP was easily manageable'"
My appologies, i should have said the national debt stands at almost 1 trillion, in fact i think its stated as actualy higher than that, ill have to look it up. Anyway with regards the the actual budget deficit, i believe it currently stands around 154 billion but is still rising and represents around 10% of GDP. which is only slightly lower than Greece which is currently running at about 10.5% of GDP but higher than Spain or Portugal whos deficits are running at about 9.1 and 9.2% of GDP, whichever way you look at it, we are in a bit of a financial mess at the moment and must hope for some growth in the economy which is the only way the current trend can be reversed imo .
You may find this interesting . www.debtbombshell.com/
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Quote: cod'ead "Your figures are wrong, so wrong, the budget deficit has never approached £1 trillion, the 2010 figures show a deficit of £148 billions, around 1/7th of £1 trillion. That figure takes into account money to bail out the banks that caused the mess. Look at the spreadsheet and you'll see that Labour actually reduced the deficit that the previous administration left them and prior to 2008 a deficit of 44% of GDP was easily manageable'"
My appologies, i should have said the national debt stands at almost 1 trillion, in fact i think its stated as actualy higher than that, ill have to look it up. Anyway with regards the the actual budget deficit, i believe it currently stands around 154 billion but is still rising and represents around 10% of GDP. which is only slightly lower than Greece which is currently running at about 10.5% of GDP but higher than Spain or Portugal whos deficits are running at about 9.1 and 9.2% of GDP, whichever way you look at it, we are in a bit of a financial mess at the moment and must hope for some growth in the economy which is the only way the current trend can be reversed imo .
You may find this interesting . www.debtbombshell.com/
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