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Quote: Standee "this isn't about liking or disliking, it's about knowing he's not good enough, which he isn't.'"



Good enough for what?

He isn't an organiser and he isn't a long kicker. However play him outside an organising 7 with a kicking game on a regular basis and he is very much good enough.

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Quote: PAUL M "Good enough for what?

He isn't an organiser and he isn't a long kicker. However play him outside an organising 7 with a kicking game on a regular basis and he is very much good enough.'"



also many are using horne as a scapegoat for the clubs failiure to sign a quality 7 in the past few seasons, the ones we did sign, long and dykes were injury prone ant thorman was just

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Quote: PAUL M "Good enough for what?

He isn't an organiser and he isn't a long kicker. However play him outside an organising 7 with a kicking game on a regular basis and he is very much good enough.'"


so, he can't organise and he can't kick, great attributes for a half back, wonderful!

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Quote: Standee "so, he can't organise and he can't kick, great attributes for a half back, wonderful!'"



When he is allowed to play his natural running and passing game he is a good player, especially on the fringes.

He offers a decent short kicking game near the opposition line and also kicks for the corners well when attacking the line.

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Quote: PAUL M "When he is allowed to play his natural running and passing game he is a good player, especially on the fringes.

He offers a decent short kicking game near the opposition line and also kicks for the corners well when attacking the line.'"


I don't disagree, but a good 6 should be doing more, Horne playing at centre or fullback or lose forward and doing those things would be reasonable, but a half back should be doing so much more.

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Quote: Standee "I don't disagree, but a good 6 should be doing more, Horne playing at centre or fullback or lose forward and doing those things would be reasonable, but a half back should be doing so much more.'"

Problem is at present he is doing ALL of it, not just the parts he should be doing!!!
alongside established guys he will be a cracking player, and to be fair has had a good season even with the injury he is carrying

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Quote: Standee "I don't disagree, but a good 6 should be doing more, Horne playing at centre or fullback or lose forward and doing those things would be reasonable, but a half back should be doing so much more.'"

Like what?

Not all stand-offs are organisers. Alongside an organising 7 with a good kicking game Horne was good enough to help us win the CC and get us to the GF - equalling the club's try-scoring record along the way. He's been involved in most of the good stuff we've done this season. He still has plenty to offer as a running half IMO, especially as we'll have a relative abundance of creative players next season and no shortage of kickers either.

And if he doesn't measure up we have other options.

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Quote: Standee "so, he can't organise and he can't kick, great attributes for a half back, wonderful!'"

And his step which stood him in good stead many years ago has now become very predictable and easily read by other teams, and let us not even go there with his dummy....The only assets he has imo is he is very good under the high ball also his support play although not superb at support he is the best out of a poor bunch at this task.
If I had to play him I would drop him to f/back as he is solid under the high ball.

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Quote: Marfa Manu "And his step which stood him in good stead many years ago has now become very predictable and easily read by other teams, and let us not even go there with his dummy....The only assets he has imo is he is very good under the high ball also his support play although not superb at support he is the best out of a poor bunch at this task.
If I had to play him I would drop him to f/back as he is solid under the high ball.'"


Thats very harsh. Predictable because we have no other real options since Cooke left and he has been very isolated.

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Quote: Mr Morden "Thats very harsh. Predictable because we have no other real options since Cooke left and he has been very isolated.'"

Longy, Obst, Head are 3 that spring to mind.

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Quote: Standee "I don't disagree, but a good 6 should be doing more, Horne playing at centre or fullback or lose forward and doing those things would be reasonable, but a half back should be doing so much more.'"


We'll have Seymour and Westerman in the middle too plus Heremaia. Horne will be allowed to concentrate on what he does best so if he doesn't perform then he has no excuse. Drop him and bring Ellis into 7 and Seymour to 6.

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Quote: Marfa Manu "Longy, Obst, Head are 3 that spring to mind.'"

Horne looked good alongside Head (when he played), alongside Long (when he played), and Obst is a part-time 7 who blows hot and cold. It's been years since he had a decent 7 playing alongside him on anything like a regular basis. Maybe it would be worth waiting to see how he goes alongside Seymour before writing him off?

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Quote: Marfa Manu "And his step which stood him in good stead many years ago has now become very predictable and easily read by other teams, and let us not even go there with his dummy....The only assets he has imo is he is very good under the high ball also his support play although not superb at support he is the best out of a poor bunch at this task.
If I had to play him I would drop him to f/back as he is solid under the high ball.'"



Then do what with McKinnon?

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Quote: Kosh "Horne looked good alongside Head (when he played), alongside Long (when he played), and Obst is a part-time 7 who blows hot and cold. It's been years since he had a decent 7 playing alongside him on anything like a regular basis. Maybe it would be worth waiting to see how he goes alongside Seymour before writing him off?'"

I have not written him off, I would like to see what happens with Ellis who looked good, granted though his performance was in NL1 so we will see. Horne is good for cover especially the f/back role imo.

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Quote: Marfa Manu "And his step which stood him in good stead many years ago has now become very predictable and easily read by other teams, and let us not even go there with his dummy....The only assets he has imo is he is very good under the high ball also his support play although not superb at support he is the best out of a poor bunch at this task.
If I had to play him I would drop him to f/back as he is solid under the high ball.'"


Other than a step or a dummy, what other ways are there to get through a defensive line on your own?

Maybe we could all chip in and buy him some boots with foot-long springs on the bottom so he can bounce over the opposition?

Dummy runners, players running good lines/angles and hitting gaps are what's needed. If Horne doesn't have his teammates doing this, then he has no other option but to take on the line himself.

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