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| Quote: thehullwhitestar "I think that you need to raise your expectations a little bit !!! ![]()
What is it the club haven't done or made steps towards that you think they should?
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The Mighty [b:35yppbbr]Hull FC[/b:35yppbbr], [color=#008000:35yppbbr]Carlsberg[/color:35yppbbr] don't do rugby league clubs....but if they did..........
[b:35yppbbr]STILL HULL'S No1 RUGBY LEAGUE TEAM[/b:35yppbbr]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39608.jpg |
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| Quote: Dnats Ynnepeerht "Training Facilities: I'm sure since Rule has been in place we've had a couple of deals to build one. Firstly we had an agreement with the Uni, whereby they provided the land and we built the facilities (I'm sure Wilf knew all the detailson this one. That one fell through at no fault of the club. Secondly was the Boulevard development in a deal with the NHS I believe(?), again fallen through, and not at the fault of the club as far as I'm aware. The club simply can't afford to buy the land AND build a brand new facility, we need a partner to invest. Also, it's not asif the club isn't trying to get it's own facility.
Squad quality: We definately do have the quality in our squad, we just don't have the depth. No halfback cover has been brought in, but you could say the club saw Nicklas as that backup, as well as Turner. Still one maybe two players needed, but only as squad players IMO.
Salary cap: For all you know we were nearing full cap before Berro left. Caders gone & replaced by Sharp; Cussack and Hall's salary out, Westerman in. So I'd say that's about right. Burnett, Berro & Tansey left afterwards, Phelps in, so we still have space on there should a player become available, and I suspect the club are still looking.
Inexperienced coach: There are definately more inexperienced coached out there, and based on league position, Agar is the best British coach out there ![]()
Great Post this, very valid and worthwhile points made. I personally think Hull have more important things to worry about than owning their own training ground ATM. Most RL clubs run at a loss, ours does not but that shows that the board are sensible with the revenue created at Hull Fc. Why go out and blow it on something that won't create revenue?
I like to train and keep fit, I pay a subscription to a gym to do this, I have no intention of building one in my back garden. The money in my bank is used for better things.
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[quote="EL CAMO":fjdx2oe5]The majority of fans at Craven Park...are idiots who know nothing about the game.[/quote:fjdx2oe5]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_40717.gif |
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| Quote: Dnats Ynnepeerht "Training Facilities: I'm sure since Rule has been in place we've had a couple of deals to build one. Firstly we had an agreement with the Uni, whereby they provided the land and we built the facilities (I'm sure Wilf knew all the detailson this one. That one fell through at no fault of the club. Secondly was the Boulevard development in a deal with the NHS I believe(?), again fallen through, and not at the fault of the club as far as I'm aware. The club simply can't afford to buy the land AND build a brand new facility, we need a partner to invest. Also, it's not asif the club isn't trying to get it's own facility.
Squad quality: We definately do have the quality in our squad, we just don't have the depth. No halfback cover has been brought in, but you could say the club saw Nicklas as that backup, as well as Turner. Still one maybe two players needed, but only as squad players IMO.
Salary cap: For all you know we were nearing full cap before Berro left. Caders gone & replaced by Sharp; Cussack and Hall's salary out, Westerman in. So I'd say that's about right. Burnett, Berro & Tansey left afterwards, Phelps in, so we still have space on there should a player become available, and I suspect the club are still looking.
Inexperienced coach: There are definately more inexperienced coached out there, and based on league position, Agar is the best British coach out there ![]()
 
VERY WELL PUT.....!! Our problems are not an overnight fix but we are certinly moving in the right direction!!
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THANK YOU Mr. PEARSON, FOR RIDDING US OF FCKWIT FUBAR, CEO TOOL AND THE STINKING UNCLE KATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHY DON'T THE DOBBINS PLAY IN GREEN SHIRT, GREEN SHORTS AND GREEN SOCKS IN ORDER TO EXPRESS THEIR INFINITE ENVY OF EVERYTHING BLACK AND WHITE??:icons42da_files/5424-2890lipst1ck_d0rk-msnicons.jpg |
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| Quote: Dnats Ynnepeerht "What is it the club haven't done or made steps towards that you think they should?'"
See my post on the last page of the Phelps thread. That pretty much covers it.
As far as challenging for honours go, we have become a laughing stock !  |
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“We will not accept a top eight finish as a barometer of supposed success at any point in the future whilst I am the owner of this club.
Thats why you got the Bullet Agar...Adam Pearson wants winners...not useless gits like you.
"Rugby League is a simple game played by simple people. Rugby Union is a complex game played by wankers." L.Daley 2005: |
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| Quote: The Brother "How long are we going to be taken for granted by the club,as much as they would have us believe everything is heading in the right direction its far from it. We have a squad that is so short of any real quality its untrue. We have lost calders,hall,yak,berro,burnett n now tansey must be 400k there alone and replaced with westerman,sharp,phelps so must be at least 200 k left there yet rule said prior to berro going we was at full cap,bull$hit imo. Our training facilites are a joke considering we have no stadium that we actually own its about time we had our training facilties instead of a day at ionains,day at boulevard,day fitness first,day university a club of our size should have there own training facilties by now instead of talking about it its time they delivered. We have the most inexperienced coaching duo's in agar,webster in super league and are our youngsters actually as good as we think compared to leeds,saints,wigan. Imo we are now behind wire,huddersfield,hkr who all have more ambition than we have and think it will be a long time before were challenging for honours again. Were been taken for granted and sold short when we deserve so much better for the way we back the club think this season may well be the one that breaks the camel back for a lot of fans'"
How many clubs actually own there own ground.....so we have a training pitch and bankrupt the club,which i think you would be glad to see in a pervase way.......only thing we need is a damn fine coach and thats us sorted.
OR WOULD YOU SOONER SEE US RETURN TO THE WALSH/LlOYD ERA. |
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| Quote: thehullwhitestar "See my post on the last page of the Phelps thread. That pretty much covers it.
As far as challenging for honours go, we have become a laughing stock ! ![]()
So your only issues with the club are to do with the squad really? It's not as though the club aren't trying to sign players and are happy with what we have, and they're probaby just as frustrated as us lot.
Our 1-17 isn't that bad! But our sqad depth is. We've got a fair bit of cap space free I imagine, so it's a case of being patient I think. The club are definately still looking.
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THANK YOU Mr. PEARSON, FOR RIDDING US OF FCKWIT FUBAR, CEO TOOL AND THE STINKING UNCLE KATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHY DON'T THE DOBBINS PLAY IN GREEN SHIRT, GREEN SHORTS AND GREEN SOCKS IN ORDER TO EXPRESS THEIR INFINITE ENVY OF EVERYTHING BLACK AND WHITE??:icons42da_files/5424-2890lipst1ck_d0rk-msnicons.jpg |
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| Quote: Dnats Ynnepeerht "So your only issues with the club are to do with the squad really? It's not as though the club aren't trying to sign players and are happy with what we have, and they're probaby just as frustrated as us lot.
Our 1-17 isn't that bad! But our sqad depth is. We've got a fair bit of cap space free I imagine, so it's a case of being patient I think. The club are definately still looking.'"
I accept that the club have looked and are still looking but why does a big club like ours consistently fail to put a squad together that can actually seriously challenge at the top of SL ? This season's squad is a mid-table squad again but when the injuries kick in, we'll once again blame "bad luck".
Something has got to be wrong hasn't it ? It can't all be "bad luck". |
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hull fc..happy go lucky team with some very mediocre players...hoping for atop 8 finish or final appearance at best...
warrington.....wanted success, so bought top top players which made them back to back challenge cup winners and my bet for the title....
simple really...
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[quote="EL CAMO":fjdx2oe5]The majority of fans at Craven Park...are idiots who know nothing about the game.[/quote:fjdx2oe5]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_40717.gif |
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| Quote: thehullwhitestar "At the end of last season, we needed to do a number of things to our squad in order to compete with the likes of Wigan, Wire, Saints.
1) Get rid of the likes of Cusack, Dowes and Radford (or at least two of them) and improve our front row with at least one quality prop............. FAILED'"
We didn't need to get rid of Dowes and Radford. Radford is a very good player whose work goes unnoticed sometimes, Underrated IMO. Dowes isn't awesome but you cannot have a complete team of world class players, some need to be average. We have more options in the forwards now to move things around.
Quote: thehullwhitestar " 2) We needed at least one half-back and also some cover there.........FAILED'"
It's not like we haven't tried, we just need the right player to come along FOR COVER. 2011 is to be our main recruitment drive and we cannot risk getting that one wrong.
Quote: thehullwhitestar " 3) We needed to solve our right centre problem and get some strike out there..........FAILED'"
Whiting is likely to be our right centre as most people seem to want so don't see where 'FAILED' comes into it..
Quote: thehullwhitestar " 4) Berrigan leaving was rumoured for a while and welcomed by many(especially me) but we needed to spend his salary on some quality............FAILED'"
Again we are trying, but don't spend the money for the sake of spending it.. Good players can come available during the season.
Quote: thehullwhitestar " 5)We also needed to get someone in who can spell Houghton (possibly linked to the HB cover)..FAILED'"
Not yet we haven't, any cover HB coming in can do this role and i think it will happen.
Quote: thehullwhitestar " But we have brought in a winger, another backrower and a utility back that no club wants ! ![]()
We needed Sharp to replace Calders and i think he's a very good signing, he should play more games. Westerman allows us to spell Fitz who everybody said was overplayed last year. And with regards Phelps, he wasn't a player that 'nobody wants' but quota restrictions meant most clubs couldn't sign him and the ones that can don't need players in that position.. My only worry is his fitness, but i will support him to the full while he wears black and white.
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| Quote: thehullwhitestar " As far as challenging for honours go, we have become a laughing stock ! ![]()
Get a grip, pal.
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[quote="EL CAMO":fjdx2oe5]The majority of fans at Craven Park...are idiots who know nothing about the game.[/quote:fjdx2oe5]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_40717.gif |
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| Quote: berro's best mate "hull fc..happy go lucky team with some very mediocre players...hoping for atop 8 finish or final appearance at best...
warrington.....wanted success, so bought top top players which made them back to back challenge cup winners and my bet for the title....
simple really...'"
And you think they are playing within the cap?? |
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| Quote: tommyfromhull "Get a grip, pal.'"
you are seriously deluded if you think we will be challenging with this crop of players.....id be amazed of we even make wigan and co. break sweat..... |
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| Quote: FC Wembley 08 "And you think they are playing within the cap??'"
doesnt matter tho does it...theve spent big and won big..we have not...dont forget its us that got caught fiddling the cap afew years back not wire!!! |
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“We will not accept a top eight finish as a barometer of supposed success at any point in the future whilst I am the owner of this club.
Thats why you got the Bullet Agar...Adam Pearson wants winners...not useless gits like you.
"Rugby League is a simple game played by simple people. Rugby Union is a complex game played by wankers." L.Daley 2005: |
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| Quote: berro's best mate "hull fc..happy go lucky team with some very mediocre players...hoping for atop 8 finish or final appearance at best...
warrington.....wanted success, so bought top top players which made them back to back challenge cup winners and my bet for the title....
simple really...'"
Getting Smith as coach did that as they had the players under Cullen and Lowes. |
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| Quote: thehullwhitestar "I accept that the club have looked and are still looking but why does a big club like ours consistently fail to put a squad together that can actually seriously challenge at the top of SL ? This season's squad is a mid-table squad again but when the injuries kick in, we'll once again blame "bad luck".
Something has got to be wrong hasn't it ? It can't all be "bad luck".'"
Last year we came within a game of 4th place, despite injuries, playing awfully at times and dropping points in games we should be winning. If that's what we can do in a crap season, what can we do in a decent season?
Good luck with injuries in key positions, a decent signing before May (someone always becomes available) and who knows. |
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