That's hardly any time at all, considering we had to get him released before we could sign anyone how could we spend his cash?

Well said bud.
I'm defo not a fan of agar, but wether we like it or not he's here and all 'the bleating' from the grumpy ppl ain't gonna make any difference..
Can't see how you can call WZ a sheep when he's airing his pov, yet the 'doom and gloom' brigade can air your views but although complaining about the same things you don't consider yourselves as sheep..
Pot and kettle???.....

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St Helens made the Grand Final!!

But apparently are prevented from doing so. In the words of Richard Littlejohn, "you couldn't make it up."

Maybe you should be like me and not accept mediocrity when there's no need for it other than bad management

I'm sure you'll get your wish if at the end of the season we don't make the 8.

My wish is that we'll be at wembley and old trafford mate, not that this great club of ours has another shiite season

Top 6 for me [iif[/i we get cover in the halves.

I'll tell you at the end of the season.

Hudds (H) 2 points 2nd Long & Horne played
Crusaders (A) 4 in 2nd Horne played (Washy)
Wigan (A) 6 in 1st Long & Horne played
Bradford (H) 6 in 1st Long played (Turner)
Salford (A) 4 in 2nd Long played (Turner)
Rovers (A) 6 in 2nd Long & Horne
Wire (H) 0 in 2nd Long played a bit part before being injured
Wakey (H) 0 in 2nd Horne played (Washy)
Quins (MM) 0 in 1`st and 8 in 2nd Horne played (Turner)
Catalan (A) 6 in 2nd Long played (Washy)
Saints (H) 6 in 1st Long played (Washy)
Hudds (A) 0 in 2nd Long played (Washy)
Catalan (H) 8 in 1st 2 in 2nd Long played (Washy)
Bradford (A) 6 in 2nd Neither played (Washy & Berro)
Wakey (A) 6 in 1st 0 in 2nd Neither played... well horne played a bit at hooker (Washy & Berro)
Wigan (H) 0 in 1st 0 in 2nd Horne played (Berro)
Crusaders (H) 6 in 2nd Neither played (Washy Berro)
Wire (A) 6 in 2nd Neither played (Washy & Berro)
Leeds (H) 2 in 2nd Long & Horne
Rovers (H) 0 in 1st 4 in 2nd Long & Horne

So we have 5 games were both played and we failed to score 10 or more in halfs. 10 games where one of the other played and failed to score 10 or more in a half. Then 5 more when neither played. That for me tells us the problem is more than just the halfbacks. It is probably more down to us being very predictable out on the field.
Lets face it our play is pretty one dimensional, we seemed to have 1 set move all season and after a couple of games teams soon got wise to that. We don't back players up, we have no real kicking game, you can then start to see why we are struggling to score points.

He is they knew in September.


They knew, and knew they would have the dosh to qpproach Myler which they did, who as you know turned us down, twice! That is the thing for me the club have tried very hard to get a h/back but you cannot just pull one out of a bag!

Yep, I've said it for a while that my biggest concern is not how much game time Long and Horne will get together, it's that even when they played they were poor on occasions, especially when it mattered, I'm willing to write last season off and give the team and Agar a fresh start, but unless we make changes on the way we approach games (maybe this is being or has been addressed I don't know) I don't think it's just as simple as get Long and Horne fit and everything will be fine, if anyone can look at those stats and not even be slightly concerned they are an idiot in my opinion.