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Quote: Kosh "What's 'difficult to understand' is why you think they need a stronger message sent when they get told about it all the time.

I've made no secret of the fact that I didn't want Agar appointed in the first place and that I thought his contract extension was premature at the very least. However, I don't expect the club to make decisions and take actions based purely on a knee-jerk response to complaints from fans. That way lies madness and ruin.

The BOD, for whatever reason, have decided to give Agar a chance. I disagree with them, but I'm not so arrogant as to assume that I necessarily know better or to expect them to tear up any plans they may have without giving them a chance to succeed. Unlike many on here I don't share the opinion that the BOD will be happy to see the club drift along without challenging for honours and at least making finals. Agar will live or die by our results - which is as it should be.

Posturing and demanding changes under threat of taking your ball home is not, IMO, mature or logical behavior.

The board need a stronger message because they aren't listening. It comes down to how much faith you have in them and is nothing to do with 'arrogance'. Looking at the board, if you ask have they shown themselves to be competent and with a knowledge how to run a financially sustainable SL club then looking at the evidence of the clubs financial position the answer is 'yes'. If you ask have they shown themselves able to create a club that is successful on the pitch then looking at the evidence (particularly since Rule came in) of our league positions, cup performances and overall playing style then the answer is 'no'. Therefore why shouldn't fans think they are well within their rights to stop buying passes if they feel they are being short-changed? You can argue the club hasn't had enough time to implement it's plans, but it's had 2 1/2 years and if that's all some fans want to give them I don't see how you can say they are wrong to feel like that.

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Quote: Jake the Peg "I suggest they sack him because it's obvious he isn't good enough but they're not going to do that while the ££££'s keep rolling in'"


I honestly don't see where is 'it's obvious he's not good enough' talk comes from!! Our problems run deeper than just the coach. I've said before, it will take time to correct the problems of previous bad management, and sometimes you need to hit rock bottom to come back up to the top. This is where the fans come in to support the club as much as possible. We are on the up, the players (ie Joe Westerman last night) know it's a massive club (and came because it's a massive club), but know there has been bad management before, they know we have the ability to win things but it's a longer process then saying 'go out there lads, play amazing rugby and sweep up the competition'.

As i said, alot more detail goes into the game than i imagined and i think Rich does an excellent job. We are yet to be proved right or wrong until his long term plan starts to come to fruition but i'll back him until we go backwards under his management!!

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Quote: FC Wembley 08 "I honestly don't see where is 'it's obvious he's not good enough' talk comes from!! Our problems run deeper than just the coach. I've said before, it will take time to correct the problems of previous bad management, and sometimes you need to hit rock bottom to come back up to the top. This is where the fans come in to support the club as much as possible. We are on the up, the players (ie Joe Westerman last night) know it's a massive club (and came because it's a massive club), but know there has been bad management before, they know we have the ability to win things but it's a longer process then saying 'go out there lads, play amazing rugby and sweep up the competition'.

As i said, alot more detail goes into the game than i imagined and i think Rich does an excellent job. We are yet to be proved right or wrong until his long term plan starts to come to fruition but i'll back him until we go backwards under his management!!'"


This 'previous bad management' line from the club goes way too far IMO. It is a fact that under Kear and Sharp we made some really poor decisions in terms of recruitment and retention, ultimately leading to us having far too many average/utility players in the squad and not enough quality individuals. Despite this, in 2005 we won the CC, in 2006 we got to the GF, in 2007 we finished 4th and won a playoff game before narrowly going out to Wigan. Those are the facts, anything else is just rhetoric from the club.

I really don't think things were anywhere near as bad as what is made out, certainly not to the extent that we needed to endure 2 1/2 years of this dross under Agar to try and 'rectify' it.

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Quote: Jake the Peg "So anyone who decides not to renew their pass due to the style of rugby is, by inference, stupid?

Why did your dad not renew?'"



Not what I said. I said anyone who wants to see pass sales drop and the club to lose money in order to make some silly point about Agar is stupid. If people are bored of the rugby and don't want to buy a pass then that is entirely their choice and would not be labelled stupid by me.

My dad has several reasons, partly bored with rugby in general and also personal reasons.

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Quote: PAUL M "Not what I said. I said anyone who wants to see pass sales drop and the club to lose money in order to make some silly point about Agar is stupid. If people are bored of the rugby and don't want to buy a pass then that is entirely their choice and would not be labelled stupid by me.

My dad has several reasons, partly bored with rugby in general and also personal reasons.'"



I struggle to see the difference though?

Whether people are doing it with the purposeful intention of hoping to force the board to sack Agar or whether they are simply so unhappy with the rugby he serves up that they don't buy another pass... it amounts to the same thing since both groups are likely to return once Agar has been dismissed?

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Quote: garry brindley "FC Wembley 08 wrote

So now you're suggesting that our Marketing is wrong (the thing we are the best at)?

Maybe for 2011 we should use the slogan: Season of failure, come see us lose week in, week out..... FOR CASH!!! Everyone is confident of a good season, we alll want to do well and there's no reason why we can't but to 'Expect' it is very different. This isn't some football/rugby management game, it's not easy.

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Quote: garry brindley "I struggle to see the difference though?

Whether people are doing it with the purposeful intention of hoping to force the board to sack Agar or whether they are simply so unhappy with the rugby he serves up that they don't buy another pass... it amounts to the same thing since both groups are likely to return once Agar has been dismissed?'"



If someone is unhappy with the rugby and does not want to renew their pass then fine. If people are wishing for a couple of thousand people to not renew to make a point then I think that's silly. How onearther we will find the players and coach to help us play attractive rugby with less money?

Each person should make their own choice on how they spend their time and money.

I have made the point about 10 times and won't be doing so again, I am completely bored by the whole negative vibe that some fans have, if you don't like it then don't watch.

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People are seriously deluded....

Do you honestly think Rich Agar sits there on a matchday and says to his players 'Right lads, go out the and play as crap as you can. Don't worry about winning cos i don't care. In fact, i want the fans to hate me so please drop as many balls as possible'..

Agar got us to a final in 2008 remember and 6th place (which people were happy with pre 2010) in 2010, we did play better rugby last year and i am certain it will be better again this year!!

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Quote: garry brindley "The board need a stronger message because they aren't listening.'"

You are confusing 'not listening' with 'not doing what I want'.

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Quote: FC Wembley 08 "So now you're suggesting that our Marketing is wrong (the thing we are the best at)?

Maybe for 2011 we should use the slogan

sleepy.gif I should have known not to try and engage with you as all you do is exaggerate and over-simplify, like your ludicrous claim earlier that those who thought it would be a good thing if pass sales fall 'want to bankrupt the club to teach them a lesson' icon_lol.gif

Just to humour you, the point I was making was that you can't on the one hand make a big show of a season being a 'Season of Promise' holding dinners in it's name and such like and then argue that people were 'crazy' to think last year would be our year. I happen to agree with you that it was crazy to think we were going to win anything last year but I'm sure some fans will have bought into it. And yes the marketing was wrong! It no doubt created more interest last year but it was short-sighted as when the inevitable failure came it made it look all the worse, which could well have a detrimental effect on interest this year.

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Quote: Kosh "You are confusing 'not listening' with 'not doing what I want'.'"


If you're saying that the majority of fans wouldn't sack Agar if it was down to them then you're talking rubbish.

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Quote: FC Wembley 08 "People are seriously deluded....

Yes they are 12.306640625:10
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