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Quote: ComeOnYouUll "I'm including the cup game, mate.'"


Right-o, wasn't sure whether the SL stats was all competitive games.

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Quote: Standee "and in 90% of those games they have tried their best and had an impact, how many other players have been on the field for more games but may we as not have bothered!'"


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Quote: Chris28 "Two thirds. Slightly more than "just over half"'"


And certianly more than "half" that is what was originally claimed/guessed.

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I know the point Sebasteano is making regarding signing ageing players (Long/Fitz) Meley is a different story as he still has plenty of years in him. I was quite happy with the signing of Long but i always assumed we would be bringing in a understudy as well but it has not happened.
Fitz has definatley done well, but he is getting overworked because he can do the full 80. Long has been the biggest dissapointment of the 3 for me and not because of the injuries as i think we all expected him to be injured and miss a few games. I just expected us to click more with him on the pitch, yet we have seen just as many lacklustre performances were we look clueless in attack with him in the squad as we have without him.

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Quote: hullbg "I know the point Sebasteano is making regarding signing ageing players (Long/Fitz) Meley is a different story as he still has plenty of years in him. I was quite happy with the signing of Long but i always assumed we would be bringing in a understudy as well but it has not happened.
Fitz has definatley done well, but he is getting overworked because he can do the full 80. Long has been the biggest dissapointment of the 3 for me and not because of the injuries as i think we all expected him to be injured and miss a few games. I just expected us to click more with him on the pitch, yet we have seen just as many lacklustre performances were we look clueless in attack with him in the squad as we have without him.'"


The issue for me with Long was the anticipated impact he would have on tactics, even in training, our lack of attacking options should have been addressed by his arrival, he's either not getting involved or not being allowed to get involved.

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Quote: Standee "The issue for me with Long was the anticipated impact he would have on tactics, even in training, our lack of attacking options should have been addressed by his arrival, he's either not getting involved or not being allowed to get involved.'"
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With Agar's form in this area (seeing off two assistants), I think it's fair to assume it's the latter.

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Quote: Sebasteeno "Not sure on Fitzs stats but he must of now only played in half our games. O'Meley must of missed a third of games too and as for Long well signing him was a joke from the start and with no understudy to replace him when he was inevitably injured (ask saints) or indeed teach it was the probably the worst signing of the lot. Now i know they are or were good players but how can any team wanting to realistically challenge build a team around these players when they hardly ever play or will be gone in two years? What happens when their contracts end? Sign another aging Aussie for another two years and repeat the same scenario me thinks. Its rubbish and shows the short sighted crap Agar and the board are only capable of.'"


You can find statistics to back up almost any claim and other teams have had key players of varying ages out due to lengthy injuries:

Matt Orford (who we were chasing before we signed Long) - 12 appearances this season and wont play again
Rob Burrow - 14
Kyle Eastmond - 16

OK Orford is getting on a bit but Burrow and Eastmond can't be described as over the hill or has beens.

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Quote: Uncle Junior "

Indeed, I agree, Moore was meant to be going to provide some input and was ignored towards the end of his tenure.

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Quote: Standee "Indeed, I agree, Moore was meant to be going to provide some input and was ignored towards the end of his tenure.'"


Do we know that for sure? Only, Moore never mentioned it. From everything I've heard about Agar, people say he's a really nice guy. I've not heard one person say otherwise. That description of him doesn't seem to fit with the picture of a man who won't listen to his assistants and dispenses with their services if they disagree with him.

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Quote: Amadeo Avogadro "Do we know that for sure? Only, Moore never mentioned it. From everything I've heard about Agar, people say he's a really nice guy. I've not heard one person say otherwise. That description of him doesn't seem to fit with the picture of a man who won't listen to his assistants and dispenses with their services if they disagree with him.'"


Sharp - was definately a case of Agar spitting his dummy out.
Moore - only what I have heard from other people, so you may well be right.

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Quote: Standee "Sharp - was definately a case of Agar spitting his dummy out.'"


Definitely? How so? You witnessed the 'dummy spit' and all the events leading up to it first hand?

Quote: Standee "Moore - only what I have heard from other people, so you may well be right.'"


All I know is what I've read in the press. I just think it's important not to make sweeping statements about a person's professional interactions unless you have first hand knowledge of the situation.

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Quote: Amadeo Avogadro "Definitely? How so? You witnessed the 'dummy spit' and all the events leading up to it first hand?

All I know is what I've read in the press. I just think it's important not to make sweeping statements about a person's professional interactions unless you have first hand knowledge of the situation.'"


All fair enough, but when in a 2 1/2 year tenure a head coach has seen off two assistants (both of whom have far more knowledge and experience of the top level of the game than himself) then its pretty clear to me what that is most likely to infer. Of course it may not be the case, but in the overall picture of Agar's time at the club it certainly fits.

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Quote: Amadeo Avogadro "Definitely? How so? You witnessed the 'dummy spit' and all the events leading up to it first hand?'"


I know someone who was party to the conversation with James Rule, that's good enough for me.

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Quote: Uncle Junior "All fair enough, but when in a 2 1/2 year tenure a head coach has seen off two assistants (both of whom have far more knowledge and experience of the top level of the game than himself) then its pretty clear to me what that is most likely to infer. Of course it may not be the case, but in the overall picture of Agar's time at the club it certainly fits.'"


Moore said he left for 'personal reasons'. We have no reason to suspect that this is not true. The situation between Agar and Sharp may just have been down to a clash of personalities. It's impossible to say that either of them were to blame for Sharp's departure without full knowledge of their relationship. It's easy to jump to conclusions based on limited evidence, I think it's far healthier to reserve judgement on things like this until you're in possession of all the facts.

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Quote: berrigans bitch "We are 5th with every chance of going back upto 4th, if Wigan turn Leeds over...

What amazes me after a loss is the change on this board, even though we are 4/5th we are poop....Thank feck this board only represents a VERY small minority of the faithful....

The season has been a success considering we have played the majority of the season without h/backs, I expect to win a least 1 play-off game (possibly more if h/backs are on the pitch)
Next season I would like to see more consistency.'"



I think you're mistaken, people were delighted we won the derby but I don't recall anyone (except yourself, the Expro and one or two others) getting carried away that we were an excellent side all of a sudden. Do you honestly think it's likely that the views expressed on the board are the polar opposite to what most fans are thinking?

Your opinion changes like the weather usually but I guess you have to stick to the 'Expro-Lite' attitude now after claiming after the derby that you are confident that we will win silverwear under Agar icon_biggrin.gif

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