True, he made up for it in the second half aswell i suppose.

More than.

He also shot out of the line for an interception, missed, and gave the ball back to Wakey. He did this because there was an overlap. There was an overlap because he'd come in off his wing. He'd come in off his wing because the sliding defence hadn't slid properly.

Hall has found himself in the exact same situation several times in every game he's played on the wing. When it happens to Hall, it's all his fault. When it happens to Whiting, suddenly the people who slate Hall can see the circumstances that contribute to the mistake. It's things like that that grind my gears TBH.

AA makes a good point that players who are generally doing well are more readily forgiven the odd mistake, and there's no doubt that 'error fatigue' plays a part in Hall's case, but I just wish that people could step back a little and be more balanced in their criticism.

Anyway - that's got that off my chest. Carry on.

Like this, you mean

He's more like Kirk Dixon. But without the defensive abilities.

I've really tried to remain balanced with Hall, but I've reached the point now where I just don't think he'll ever make the sort of player we need to compete at a decent level. He has the heart of a mouse, too, which doesn't help.

Not really, I just don't think Hall is better than any of them.

My comment wasn't really aimed at you, and I do understand what you mean. I'm having to grit my teeth to maintain any faith myself TBH. I'm tending to think now that Hall will never fulfil any potential he may have while he's being coached by Agar.

I think he is in attack - he certainly has a better scoring and assist record. As an overall 'package' maybe not at the moment.

I'm really undecided about Hall. He seems to easily lose confidence, focus or whatever else you might call it and, as has just been said, he also seems to have the heart of a mouse.

That said, I would like to see what a good coach, or even an average one, would do with his undoubted ability and potential but he's not going to have that opportunity unless he leaves us or the powers that be start to realise that Agar is actually only pretending to be a SL coach.

I'd be infavour of sending him down to an Aussie club for a season.

I've remained sufficiently in touch with reality to never label any preofessional RL player as windy. How many times have you pulled on a pro jersey and played?

That's an interesting idea and with Fitz, O'Meley and Moore all with contacts down under could be relatively easy to sort out.

A season long loan a la Tansey to the Roosters would benefit Hall and Hull.

Hall is polarising because he shows glimpses of excellence in attack but is consistently average at best in defence. Whiting on the other hand has far less flair, but visible attitude and application and has stepped up his game this season so significantly that he is now one of the first names on the teamsheet. For some fans, and I include myself in them, I love to see the visible effort that Whiting puts in, and, rightly or wrongly, like him as a player better than Hall for it. I understand that you need the right blend of qualities in a squad and can't just go with a team of 17 "triers".

So we then get onto the point around Hall not realising his potential being all Agar's fault. If this is true, then Whiting's step up to be a regular MOM contender must also be all Agar's doing. For all the talk of Hall being played out of position by Agar, Whiting has had a far less fair crack of the whip as he is a loose forward who has played every position bar prop and pretty much none at his preferred postion.

Or the alternative scenario is that Whiting has taken it upon himself to succeed despite Agar's cluelessness and has done a pretty fine job of it. In which case the opportunity is there for Hall to do the same.

Clearly the truth is somewhere in between. The acid test of Hall's potential will be how many of the top clubs are seeking him out for next season.