Correct, neither does it make it accurate. It makes it an opinion and one i disagree with.

That he probably is, unfortunately most people in britain are complete muppets.

Unfortunately the main stream parties have let this country down with their lies, deceit, greed and corruption. Where these undesirable traits are allowed to fester so the likes of the BNP and others at both extremes of the spectrum take their chance, not believing their own luck so to speak.

And yes you may see it for what it is but this country is now laden with a growing minority of poorly educated and ill disciplined citizens who increasingly look to more radical agendas. And who is to blame for allowing an underclass of this type to proliferate ? I'll give you a clue - it isn't the extremists who have no power to wield.

There is a very good reason for that.

Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. We [iagreed[/i to allow free entry to the UK for all citizens of an EU country. Likewise, we all have the right to enter another EU country. We also agreed to allow EU citizens to work here, and once again this is reciprocal.

As for financial support...



So in other words they get no more, and often less, financial support while looking for work than any UK layabout who has never got off his/her idle backside and done a day's honest labour. I fail to see the significant difference.

You make out like lies, deceit, greed and corruption amongst politicians is a relatively new phenomenon. It isn't. It has gone on as long as politics itself.

There have always been maintstream parties whose policies or actions have alienated people, and there have always been extremist groups willing to exploit those who are dim enough to believe their lies.

So no personal responsibility whatsoever? We can't expect people to see past simplistic propaganda just because the country has some problems that are not being adequately addressed?

I agree that the rise of extremist fringe groups is fed by dissatisfaction with the main parties and by a sense of alienation fed by the media, but at the end of the day you can't absolve individuals from responsibility for the opinions that they hold and the actions that they perform.

Indeed. The famous story of the 1990s was that when Michael Howard (Hecht) was Home Secretary, the laws on immigration that he pushed through would have prevented his own parents from coming to the UK while fleeing persecution in Romania.

We can expect it, and indeed hope that it happens. Unfortunately I think you over estimate the ability and education levels of many people at the poorer end of our society. You, I and most on here can see through the propaganda that you mention. That is not the case for everyone. It's the same reason that people brawl in the streets on a saturday night or all over war memorials. That is a lack of personal responsibility as well and an inability to understand right and wrong. If your life is spent mostly in the gutter and you cant see a way out then you are an easy target for extremists be they BNP or anyone else. The number of people like this in society is rising and that is a direct result of this and previous Government's policies on welfare, education, immigration and law and order. If you carry on being liberal long enough this is what you end up with. Unfortunately.

I agree with you totally that's what I have said. However the situation is worse now than ever thanks to the shockng state of main stream politics today. That is a failure of the the mainstream parties and not some improvement in the performance of the extremists.

Sadly your statement is very true. Social values are dividing within society and extremists are able to peddle their filth fairly freely knowing exactly who to target.

I didnt say they got more, i said they shouldnt be getting anything. Let them sit in their own country and claim off the state. I also said in the same statement that i would reduce the benefits of the UK layabouts to encourage them to take work too and not be better off by not wanting to work, did you miss that bit?

I never realised FC fans were Xenephobes, another tick in the "top ten city" questionnaire

I wonder sometimes if a lot of posters on here have ever lived and worked beyond a HU postal code. (actually, I wonder if a fair few have ever lived, or worked).