Think Beckham may disagree.
I am not saying these two didn`t install confidence, but Clough didn`t and Fergie doesn`t take crap.That was the point I was trying to put across.

So we've shown Thackray the door & hasn't been seen for ages presumably cos of his disruptive influences.

Yet we still have a culture of getting hammered in public & fighting amongst ourselves !!

Seems to me this squad have no discipline, that's down to AGAR.

More of the same next year I fear unless he recruits tee totallers - he ain't got the skill or bottle to control this lot. He's just out of his depth.......... by a street mile !

Mind now firmly made up about not renewing pass, happy to pay way more if the club prove me wrong - here's hopeing

Yet one of those is being shipped out as well and no doubt the other 1 getting severly warned about future conduct.

These GROWN MEN are well paid professional rugby league players not a bunch of primary school children who need to be told how to behave. They know that when out in public they are the face of Hull FC and shouldn't need babysitting them 24/7 to remind them of that. The 2 in question have been suspended, named and (hopefully) shamed. Others are being shown the door, I fail to see what else can be done until contracts expire or we have valid reasons to sack the rest of the trouble causers.

We have far too many average players and not enough class players to support them, Agar is not to blame because the majority of our kids just aren't good enough.

In terms of superleague quality i would say most of our team is below average, thus the poor displays week after week. Give the guy a break and really think about our playing roster, then tell me he could have done better.

He could have done better.

He could have done a HELL OF A LOT BETTER, for example:

He could have a GAME PLAN
We could learn some SET MOVES
He could have instilled PRIDE and DETERMINATION

but no, he just sat back and watchewd the squad take the pi$$ out of the fans, safe in the knowledge he was still in a job next season regardless.

They are grown men, shouldn't this be down to themselves?

Shouldnt the club be taking positive steps to stamp it out and pass out the message they will not tolerate it ??

Totally agree, but I can't see how its Agars fault how the players chose to portray themselves when out and about.

You mean like sacking and suspending players?

Maybe if the club had stepped in before now and kerbed this drinking culture incidents like 'Weir gate' would not have occurred !!!